Legislature(2001 - 2002)

05/01/2002 01:06 PM House RES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                          May 1, 2002                                                                                           
                           1:06 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
RESOURCES MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Beverly Masek, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Drew Scalzi, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Hugh Fate, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Representative Lesil McGuire                                                                                                    
Representative Gary Stevens                                                                                                     
Representative Mary Kapsner                                                                                                     
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FISHERIES MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gary Stevens, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Peggy Wilson, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Drew Scalzi                                                                                                      
Representative Fred Dyson                                                                                                       
Representative John Coghill                                                                                                     
Representative Mary Kapsner                                                                                                     
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 30(RES)                                                                                 
Relating to Alaska Salmon Day.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSCR 30(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Gerry Merrigan - Petersburg                                                                                                
     Arthur N. Nelson - Anchorage                                                                                               
     Brett Huber - Soldotna                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SCR 30                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:ALASKA SALMON DAY                                                                                                   
SPONSOR(S): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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03/18/02     2450       (S)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
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03/18/02     2450       (S)        STA,RES                                                                                      
04/09/02                (S)        STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
04/09/02                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
04/09/02                (S)        MINUTE(STA)                                                                                  
04/10/02     2709       (S)        STA RPT 4DP                                                                                  
04/10/02     2709       (S)        DP: THERRIAULT, DAVIS,                                                                       
                                   STEVENS, HALFORD                                                                             
04/10/02     2709       (S)        FN1: ZERO(S.STA)                                                                             
04/17/02                (S)        RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
04/17/02                (S)        Moved CS(RES) Out of                                                                         
                                   Committee                                                                                    
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04/18/02     2837       (S)        RES RPT CS 6DP SAME TITLE                                                                    
04/18/02     2837       (S)        DP: TORGERSON, HALFORD,                                                                      
                                   STEVENS,                                                                                     
04/18/02     2837       (S)        WILKEN, LINCOLN, ELTON                                                                       
04/18/02     2837       (S)        FN1: ZERO(S.STA)                                                                             
04/22/02                (S)        RLS AT 9:30 AM FAHRENKAMP 203                                                                
04/22/02                (S)        MINUTE(RLS)                                                                                  
04/24/02     2924       (S)        RULES TO CALENDAR 4/24/02                                                                    
04/24/02     2934       (S)        READ THE SECOND TIME                                                                         
04/24/02     2934       (S)        RES CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT                                                                  
04/24/02     2934       (S)        PASSED Y20 N-                                                                                
04/24/02     2936       (S)        TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                           
04/24/02     2936       (S)        VERSION: CSSCR 30(RES)                                                                       
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04/25/02     3122       (H)        RES                                                                                          
05/01/02                (H)        RES AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 124                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KRISTY TIBBLES, Staff                                                                                                           
to Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 119                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:   Presented  SCR 30 on  behalf of  the Senate                                                               
Labor  and Commerce  Standing committee,  sponsor, which  Senator                                                               
Stevens chairs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
GERRY MERRIGAN, Appointee                                                                                                       
to the Board of Fish                                                                                                            
Box 1065                                                                                                                        
Petersburg, Alaska  99833                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as  an appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Fish; provided background information and answered questions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRETT W. HUBER                                                                                                                  
P.O. Box 822                                                                                                                    
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as  an appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Fish; provided background information and answered questions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR N. NELSON, Appointee                                                                                                     
to the Board of Fish                                                                                                            
2132 Clark Street                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska  99504                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as  an appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Fish; provided background information and answered questions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR, Member                                                                                                        
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
878 Lynnwood Way                                                                                                                
North Pole, Alaska  99705                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:    Testified  in support of  the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber and Mr. Nelson.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ED DERSHAM, Chairman                                                                                                            
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
P.O. Box 537                                                                                                                    
Anchor Point, Alaska  99556                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber, Mr. Merrigan, and Mr. Nelson.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MARVIN PETERS, Chairman                                                                                                         
Homer [Fish and Game] Advisory Committee                                                                                        
P.O. Box 2623                                                                                                                   
Homer, Alaska  99603                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DAVID MARTIN, Chairman                                                                                                          
Central Peninsula [Fish and Game] Advisory Committee                                                                            
71605 Sterling Highway                                                                                                          
Clam Gulch, Alaska  99568                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
IRV CARLISLE                                                                                                                    
P.O. Box 2349                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HERMAN FANDEL                                                                                                                   
702 Lawton Drive                                                                                                                
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
IRENE FANDEL                                                                                                                    
702 Lawton Drive                                                                                                                
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BIX BONNEY                                                                                                                      
P.O. Box 3292                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ELLIE SNAVELY                                                                                                                   
61113 Deer Valley Drive                                                                                                         
Bend, Oregon  97702                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SAM McDOWELL                                                                                                                    
P.O. Box 149                                                                                                                    
Sterling, Alaska  99672                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE KNOWLES                                                                                                                   
P.O. Box 873206                                                                                                                 
Wasilla, Alaska  99654                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DON JOHNSON                                                                                                                     
P.O. Box 876                                                                                                                    
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr.  Nelson  and Mr.  Huber.    However,  he  noted that  was  in                                                               
disagreement  with  a lot  of  things  about them,  but  remained                                                               
supportive because they are common users.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CARL ROSIER                                                                                                                     
Alaska Outdoor Council (AOC)                                                                                                    
8298 Garnet Street                                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DAVID BEDFORD, Executive Director                                                                                               
Southeast Alaska Seiners Association (SEAS)                                                                                     
526 Main Street                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Merrigan.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BILL SULLIVAN                                                                                                                   
United Cook Inlet Drift Association (UCIDA)                                                                                     
PO Box 943                                                                                                                      
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LES PALMER                                                                                                                      
P.O. Box 631                                                                                                                    
Sterling, Alaska  99672                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DALE BONDURANT                                                                                                                  
31864 Moonshine Drive                                                                                                           
Soldotna, Alaska 99669                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DON McKAY                                                                                                                       
32992 Johnson Drive                                                                                                             
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TERRY SAPPAH                                                                                                                    
P.O. BOX 1253                                                                                                                   
Sterling, Alaska 99672                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BUD HARRIS                                                                                                                      
P.O. BOX 7013                                                                                                                   
Nikiski, Alaska  99635                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PAUL SEATON                                                                                                                     
58395 Bruce Street                                                                                                              
Homer, Alaska  99603                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JERRY McCUNE                                                                                                                    
United Fishermen of Alaska                                                                                                      
211 4th Street                                                                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of  the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Nelson and Mr. Merrigan to the BOF.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PAUL SHADURA                                                                                                                    
Kenai Peninsula Fishermen's Association (KPFA)                                                                                  
PO Box 1632                                                                                                                     
Kenai, Alaska 99610                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ROLAND MAW                                                                                                                      
P.O. BOX 530                                                                                                                    
Kasilof, Alaska  99610                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
RUBEN HANKE                                                                                                                     
P.O. BOX 624                                                                                                                    
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RONDI McCLURE                                                                                                                   
P.O. BOX 2263                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
STEVE McCLURE, Vice President                                                                                                   
Kenai River Professional Guide Association (KRPGA)                                                                              
P.O. BOX 2263                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RYAN HOWLETT                                                                                                                    
P.O. BOX 1647                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RON RAINEY                                                                                                                      
P.O. BOX 2004                                                                                                                   
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS GARCIA                                                                                                                    
P.O. BOX 203                                                                                                                    
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Nelson and  Mr. Merrigan to the BOF and  in opposition to the                                                               
confirmation of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DAVE LOWERY                                                                                                                     
34715 Keystone Drive                                                                                                            
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BOB MERCHANT, President                                                                                                         
United Cook Inlet Drift Association (UCIDA )                                                                                    
43961 K-Beach Road                                                                                                              
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PAT CARTER                                                                                                                      
P.O. Box 3805                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Testified   in  support  of   all  three                                                               
appointees to the BOF.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
GREG BRUSH                                                                                                                      
P.O. Box 4278                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in  support of the  nomination of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MURRAY FENTON                                                                                                                   
P.O. Box 2594                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in  support of the  nomination of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
STEVE TVENSTRUP                                                                                                                 
4928 Beaver Loop                                                                                                                
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in opposition to  the nomination                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF, but  in support of the nomination of Mr.                                                               
Merrigan and Mr. Nelson.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DREW SPARLIN                                                                                                                    
37020 Cannery Road                                                                                                              
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in opposition to  the nomination                                                               
of Mr. Huber to the BOF, but  in support of the nomination of Mr.                                                               
Merrigan and Mr. Nelson.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
RAY DeBARDELABEN                                                                                                                
P.O. BOX 4357                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in  support of the  nomination of                                                               
Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL SUTTON                                                                                                                   
PO Box 39214                                                                                                                    
Ninilchik, Alaska  99639                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in  support of the  nomination of                                                               
Mr. Merrigan and Mr. Nelson.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-41, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DREW  SCALZI called  the  joint  meeting of  the  House                                                               
Resources Standing  Committee and the House  Special Committee on                                                               
Fisheries to order  at 1:06 p.m.   Representatives Wilson, Dyson,                                                               
Kerttula, Stevens, Fate, McGuire,  Green, Chenault, Masek, Scalzi                                                               
were present during  the call to order.   Representatives Coghill                                                               
and Kapsner arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SCR 30-ALASKA SALMON DAY                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SCALZI  announced  that  the first  order  of  business                                                               
before the  House Resources  Standing Committee  would be  CS FOR                                                               
SENATE  CONCURRENT RESOLUTION  NO.  30(RES),  Relating to  Alaska                                                               
Salmon Day.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0035                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KRISTY  TIBBLES,  Staff  to Senator  Ben  Stevens,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, presented SCR  30 on behalf of the  Senate Labor and                                                               
Commerce  Standing  committee,  sponsor,  which  Senator  Stevens                                                               
chairs.   She explained that SCR  30 proclaims June 30,  2002, as                                                               
"Alaska  Salmon Day."   This  proclamation recognizes  the salmon                                                               
industry as  a huge  part of  all of  Alaskans' lives  and raises                                                               
public awareness  of one of  Alaska's most  important industries.                                                               
She  said  its  passage  will also  support  the  Alaska  Seafood                                                               
Marketing  Institute (ASMI)  and  its efforts  to market  Alaskan                                                               
salmon in the United States in the coming summer.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0242                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  McGUIRE  moved to  report  CSSCR  30(RES) out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
zero fiscal  note.  There  being no objection, CSSCR  30(RES) was                                                               
moved out of the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0356                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI announced  that the next order  of business would                                                               
be  hearings on  the confirmation  of the  appointments of  Gerry                                                               
Merrigan,  Brett Huber,  and Arthur  N.  Nelson to  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries (BOF).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0492                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GERRY  MERRIGAN, Appointee  to the  Board of  Fisheries, informed                                                               
the committee  that he  has been  a resident  since 1979  and has                                                               
been  fishing  off  and  on  since  that  time,  including  power                                                               
trolling for salmon and fishing  halibut IFQs [individual fishery                                                               
quotas] in  Southeast [Alaska].   Mr. Merrigan explained  that in                                                               
the winters  he has  worked on  fishing policy  issues, including                                                               
the U.S.  - Canada [Salmon]  Treaty in  the early 1990s  and some                                                               
Bering Sea  issues with the North  Pacific [Fisheries Management]                                                               
Council (NPFMC).   He noted that for the past  three years he has                                                               
been the director of Petersburg Vessel Owners Association.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MERRIGAN  reviewed  his   work  experience,  which  includes                                                               
crabbing,  tendering,  seining,  and  being  a  crewmember.    He                                                               
mentioned that  although he may not  have a lot of  experience in                                                               
some fisheries, he  knew enough people to steer him  in the right                                                               
direction.  Mr.  Merrigan related that he owned  a 35-foot wooden                                                               
troller that he had been fishing  since 1985 and has 6,000 pounds                                                               
of halibut IFQs.   He informed the committee that  he was exposed                                                               
to  the diversity  of some  of the  BOF issues  through a  vessel                                                               
owner's association.   The  association included  everything from                                                               
150  freezer longliners  down to  26-foot Dungeness  crab skiffs,                                                               
and vessels fishing  from the Bering Sea down to  Tree Point.  He                                                               
noted that he  attended quite a few BOF meetings  as the director                                                               
of the vessel  owners.  He said he started  going to BOF meetings                                                               
in 1988,  and has seen  several boards at  work.  With  regard to                                                               
why a person  would want to be  on the BOF, Mr.  Merrigan said he                                                               
was  sure  he'd be  asking  himself  that  over and  over  again.                                                               
However, he related that he may  be able to add something to this                                                               
[process].                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MERRIGAN characterized  himself as  a nuts-and-bolts  person                                                               
who  is good  with numbers.    "I think  I can  help make  things                                                               
work," he  said.   Furthermore, he indicated  that he  helps move                                                               
along good  ideas.  "I  don't have an  agenda ... other  than ...                                                               
I'd  like to  see the  meetings get  shorter," he  remarked.   He                                                               
explained that  the shorter meetings  could help keep  the public                                                               
involved.  Mr. Merrigan expressed  the desire to keep things real                                                               
simple at  the BOF and maintain  a board that is  viewed as fair.                                                               
Above all,  resource conservation is the  priority because that's                                                               
what  the constitution  specifies.   Without  the resource,  it's                                                               
moot.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0833                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN   asked  if  Mr.  Merrigan   would  have  a                                                               
predisposition  in  favor of  commercial  fishing  if there  were                                                               
commercial fisheries issues at odds with other fisheries.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN talked about regulations  and policies of the board,                                                               
including  the   allocation  criteria.    He   noted  subsistence                                                               
priorities,  as  well as  commercial,  sport,  guided sport,  and                                                               
personal  use [priorities];  he said  a good  board member  would                                                               
have  to review  those to  establish that  allocation.   He hoped                                                               
that  his   decisions  would  be  justified   by  the  allocation                                                               
criteria.  He noted his belief  that personal use is an important                                                               
fishery.  He  mentioned doing things to get  along with neighbors                                                               
and  in  that regard,  trollers  have  done  things such  as  not                                                               
opening  up close  to town  until  the [local]  salmon derby  has                                                               
concluded.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1028                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  asked Mr. Merrigan  how familiar he  is with                                                               
the  inland  personal  use and  commercial  fisheries,  and  also                                                               
inquired as to  his perception of the management  of the Interior                                                               
fishery in the  scheme of the total management  of the allocation                                                               
in the fisheries.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN explained  that he probably has the  least amount of                                                               
experience with the  inland [fisheries].  He  noted that [fishing                                                               
in]  Bristol  Bay  was  about  as close  as  he  got  to  [inland                                                               
fisheries].   However, when he  worked for the  Alaska Department                                                               
of Fish and Game (ADF&G) in the  early 1980s, it gave him an idea                                                               
of  the  complexity  of  "rearing  habitat"  depending  on  water                                                               
heights.  Mr.  Merrigan remarked that although  these are complex                                                               
issues,  he  said  he  has   always  felt  everyone  agrees  with                                                               
escapement  goal, and  therefore the  fish have  to be  delivered                                                               
first, and  then the  in-river allocations can  occur.   He noted                                                               
that there's a  conservation issue and if you  have a subsistence                                                               
priority, the  conservation issue  is proportional to  the impact                                                               
of  each group.    Therefore, fishermen  are  encouraged to  keep                                                               
participating  in  conservation  because they  will  receive  the                                                               
benefits  at  some  point.    "If it's  done  ...  equitably  and                                                               
proportionately,  ... the  end result  is  the fish  have to  end                                                               
upstream with the ... end river user as well," he pointed out.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN emphasized:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The management's got to start  from the outside in, and                                                                    
     you have to  know how much to  deliver escapement, plus                                                                    
     the  in-river   goal.    I  understand   some  of  your                                                                    
     fisheries  aren't maybe  getting the  necessary returns                                                                    
     that you'd  like and there  may be some  information or                                                                    
     data  shortages  as well.  ...  My  knowledge of  those                                                                    
     systems  is probably  weak, and  ... [as]  one previous                                                                    
     board member  commented ... he  realized how  little he                                                                    
     knew  until  he put  his  name  in  for the  [Board  of                                                                    
     Fisheries], and I am realizing that just as well.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1204                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS turned  to the conflict-of-interest issues                                                               
that  seem  to  affect  the  board  occasionally  and  asked  Mr.                                                               
Merrigan  if  he would  have  a  conflict.    If so,  would  that                                                               
conflict preclude him  from being involved in issues  or would it                                                               
be  [acceptable] for  [a board  member] to  state a  conflict and                                                               
continue to participate in the debate.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MERRIGAN offered  his belief  that a  [board member]  with a                                                               
conflict should be allowed to  participate in the debate, because                                                               
the reason that person  is on the board is to  include his or her                                                               
expertise [on the issues].  In  terms of voting, he thought [that                                                               
member]  should  declare his  or  her  conflict and  [allow]  the                                                               
chairman  to  establish  whether that  member  would  financially                                                               
benefit from [voting].  He  mentioned that if something benefited                                                               
the  Southeast [Alaska  Commercial] Troll  [Fisheries Management]                                                               
Plan,  he might  receive an  infinitesimal gain  as one  of 1,500                                                               
trollers.   However,  he  was  unsure as  to  whether that  would                                                               
constitute  a conflict.    Mr.  Merrigan said  if  the issue  was                                                               
regarding some area  where he fished that spot, he  would have to                                                               
declare a conflict.   He opined that people should  be allowed to                                                               
participate in a debate and  state their conflict, unless there's                                                               
a  real direct  financial gain.    He suggested  that having  the                                                               
[conflict] on the record might be sufficient.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1328                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON  turned to the  Bristol Bay fishery  as soon                                                               
and  pointed out  that  when the  end  river users,  particularly                                                               
subsistence and  personal use, obtain  their allocation,  ... the                                                               
run may  be gone  for the commercial  fishermen located  at those                                                               
river of  origin fisheries.  He  inquired as to how  that problem                                                               
could be managed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN  said he wasn't  suggesting curtailing  fisheries so                                                               
those fish are delivered.  He explained:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     It's  active management,  and I  think  the system  the                                                                    
     state has  of in-season  emergency order using  the gut                                                                    
     judgment  of   the  area  biologists;  ...   the  pulse                                                                    
     fishing; you're going to try  to deliver 'X' amount and                                                                    
     they got to do their best  judgment to it.  If you wait                                                                    
     to  measure those  fish 20  miles upstream,  ... you've                                                                    
     missed  the  bulk of  the  run  and you've  missed  the                                                                    
     intent of  Bristol Bay management,  which is  to sample                                                                    
     all run segments of that.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Bristol Bay gets complicated  between the in-river, the                                                                    
     set[net], the drift[net]  ..., but I think  you have to                                                                    
     take  your best  cut  at trusting  the area  management                                                                    
     system.  But they need  to know how much they're trying                                                                    
     to deliver,  get that quantified  ....  They  enter the                                                                    
     system, but  they don't  advance, so  escapement's kind                                                                    
     of there but  hasn't got up to that river  system.  ...                                                                    
     I would  have to just  go with our area  management and                                                                    
     EO authority  that we  have, and  trust [ADF&G]  in the                                                                    
     best judgment; ... we all learn from our errors.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1477                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON  mentioned that  the Kvichak  [River system]                                                               
has not been  getting its escapement for several years  and is an                                                               
area of contention.   He explained that  the commercial fishermen                                                               
cannot  fish  that  area,  but  that  there  are  still  in-river                                                               
fisheries, sport  fishing, and  other fisheries.   Representative                                                               
Dyson  asked Mr.  Merrigan if  he  thought all  of the  fisheries                                                               
should be shut down until the escapement goals are met.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MERRIGAN  answered,  "I  think  it  would  have  to  be  ...                                                               
proportionate."  He  said he would have to look  at the magnitude                                                               
of the impact  in the sports fishery, however he  didn't think it                                                               
necessarily meant everyone gets shut  down.  There could probably                                                               
be catch-and-release, he opined.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1561                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE told Mr. Merrigan  that he struck her as a                                                               
no-nonsense  kind of  guy  that  speaks his  mind,  and that  she                                                               
appreciated that.   She asked Mr.  Merrigan if he could  be "king                                                               
for a  day," what kind  of a make-up  he would [envision]  on the                                                               
BOF.  She  also asked him how  the make-up of the  BOF relates to                                                               
the future of the salmon industry and resource protection.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1605                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MERRIGAN  responded  that  there  would  be  another  [board                                                               
member] from  Southeast, including  several fishermen  other than                                                               
him.  He that  one can't go by categories a  lot of times because                                                               
it's  a  mix  of  personalities  with  a  variety  of  expertise,                                                               
experiences, and skills.   He said Ed Dersham is  one of the best                                                               
BOF members he has seen.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1739                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN suggested perhaps  there are more commercial                                                               
fishermen fishing [than revenue  being generated to] support them                                                               
all.   He  noted  that the  state and  some  fishing groups  have                                                               
considered  buy-back  [programs].    He asked  Mr.  Merrigan  his                                                               
thoughts on this issue.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN related  his belief that each fishery  would have to                                                               
be reviewed.   He  noted that  the web  site of  CFEC [Commercial                                                               
Fisheries Entry Commission]  web site provides a  good picture of                                                               
each  fishery.   Perhaps  [the fishing  industry]  needs to  make                                                               
itself  more efficient  and determine  where the  business should                                                               
go.   Mr.  Merrigan said  he wasn't  sure it's  the BOF's  job to                                                               
develop innovative  solutions because those should  come from the                                                               
task  force  and  the  people bringing  proposals  forward.    He                                                               
reiterated the  need to review  the situation fishery  by fishery                                                               
because it depends on the level of participation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1870                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA asked  Mr. Merrigan why would  he want to                                                               
[be on the BOF].  She asked him about his goals.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN  said that he has  a lot of knowledge  of [fisheries                                                               
issues], and  although he has never  really done a lot  of public                                                               
service,  he thought  this was  the [right]  time.   Mr. Merrigan                                                               
mentioned that  if he didn't make  it on the BOF,  it wouldn't be                                                               
that  disappointing after  having  [witnessed  what previous  BOF                                                               
members]  go through.    He remarked,  "The  long meetings,  high                                                               
anxiety, and low pay were simply irresistible."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1960                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI   pointed  out  that  the   BOF  had  been                                                               
reviewing  proposals  concerning   Local  Area  Management  Plans                                                               
(LAMPs).   Furthermore, [the  BOF seems to  be] working  with the                                                               
North Pacific  Fishery Management Council (NPFMC)  closer than he                                                               
has seen  in the past  to develop  fisheries that relate  to both                                                               
federal and  state waters.   He inquired  as to how  Mr. Merrigan                                                               
would deal  with U.S.-Canada relationships  and he  also inquired                                                               
as  to what  BOF's  approach should  be  with mixed  interception                                                               
fisheries within Alaska.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN explained that international  treaties trump some of                                                               
BOF's actions.   Although  the king  salmon number  for Southeast                                                               
comes from a  treaty, the BOF determines  the allocations between                                                               
the  [various fisheries].   Mr.  Merrigan also  pointed out  that                                                               
some  of  the  restrictions  placed  on  the  seine  and  gillnet                                                               
fisheries  come from  treaties and  can't be  changed by  the BOF                                                               
either.  He suggested that the  board is going to be working more                                                               
frequently  with  [NPFMC]  on issues  such  as  crab  management,                                                               
LAMPs, and paralleling with sea  [indisc.] devices.  Mr. Merrigan                                                               
mentioned that he  thought "the big ticking bomb" is  going to be                                                               
on  sea  lion  issues.   He  discussed  intercepting  stocks  and                                                               
suggested that  interception is in the  eye of the beholder.   He                                                               
echoed  his earlier  testimony regarding  the need  to share  the                                                               
burden of  conservation.   Mr. Merrigan  also discussed  the need                                                               
for data  in determining  how best  to conserve.   The  more data                                                               
there is the simpler [and more accurate] the job is.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2192                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  asked what  the responsibility is  of the                                                               
BOF to  try and  utilize resources that  are not  currently being                                                               
used.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MERRIGAN   related  his  understanding  that   at  the  last                                                               
fisheries meeting  he attended there  was a new  fisheries policy                                                               
in draft [format], which he believes  is currently in place.  Mr.                                                               
Merrigan said he  believes the difficulty was that  a new fishery                                                               
couldn't be developed  without a management plan.   The Southeast                                                               
dive fisheries got around that  by assessing themselves enough to                                                               
do the research to develop a  management plan.  Mr. Merrigan said                                                               
that  initially   he  was  concerned  about   groups  paying  for                                                               
research; however, he doesn't have a better idea.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN said:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I think the board's job is  to maybe allow a fishery to                                                                    
     get  going in  a  limited way  to  gain their  resource                                                                    
     information  before you  endanger it,  but not  just to                                                                    
     take precautionary approach and  slam the door until we                                                                    
     have everything we  need to know.  I think  most of the                                                                    
     fisheries  management  is  done  in  small  steps  ....                                                                    
     Occasionally,  you  have  to step  backwards,  ...  but                                                                    
     you've got to  keep moving ahead; you  don't make giant                                                                    
     leaps; you've got to go with  what you know or what you                                                                    
     think you know  and move ahead on that basis.   I think                                                                    
     ... it's a process.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN recalled Mr.  Merrigan's mention of the need                                                               
for good  data and  related that  he has heard  in the  past that                                                               
there  may be  a  lack of  really  reliable data  on  one of  the                                                               
[state's] more  popular rivers.   He mentioned that  Mr. Merrigan                                                               
had  indicated that  U.S.  Senator Stevens  might  be helpful  in                                                               
getting  funds for  more data.   Representative  Green asked  Mr.                                                               
Merrigan how he  would feel about [using  that] information [for]                                                               
discrete stock management.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRIGAN remarked:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Stock ID work:  I  know we've got U.S.-Canada money for                                                                    
     Southeast.  We don't necessarily  have that for ... the                                                                    
     rest  of ...  Alaska outside  of the  treaty area,  but                                                                    
     it's  really hard  to make  ...  decisions without  the                                                                    
     data, and  I think  stock ID  work and  just escapement                                                                    
     numeration, to  me, is a big  issue ....  If  you don't                                                                    
     have  an escapement  goal  everybody  agrees with,  ...                                                                    
     it's pretty tough. ...                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sometimes we experience  ... U.S.-Canada ... escapement                                                                    
     goals with  a little  bit of  something else  mixed in.                                                                    
     ... They  had never readjusted ...  escapement goals in                                                                    
     the Columbia  River since they  built the  dams, 'cause                                                                    
     people  were using  them as  a benchmark  of what  they                                                                    
     used to get.  ... I  didn't want to lose those numbers;                                                                    
     ...  those  ... had  some  other  reference other  than                                                                    
     biology.  ...                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I think the  biological escapements goal has  got to be                                                                    
     arrived at.  Hopefully, if  you can get the information                                                                    
     to do a spawn - a  recruit curb, that's great.  If not,                                                                    
     then   you  have   to   start   taking  some   historic                                                                    
     references.  ... Sometimes  leak-stop management can be                                                                    
     used in  a harmful way and  it also has its  merit, and                                                                    
     there are chinook abundance;  for example, in Southeast                                                                    
     we have an aggregate abundance index. ...                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     It's also tempered by if  you have "X" number of stocks                                                                    
     that aren't performing and then  you have a couple that                                                                    
     are doing  great; you don't  get the full  magnitude of                                                                    
     that abundance;  it's reduced  a bit.  ... They  have a                                                                    
     little bit of that built  in. ... On the negative side,                                                                    
     I would say [the] Endangered  Species Act; when we were                                                                    
     reduced  through  the Snake  River,  and  here you  are                                                                    
     taking  hits of  40,000  king salmon  to deliver  three                                                                    
     quarters of one fish back on the spawning ground.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     That'd   be  like   the  worst,   ...  discrete   stock                                                                    
     management; it would use a  schedule to deliver fish to                                                                    
     other  places and  really  didn't accomplish  anything.                                                                    
     ... I think  you have to look out  for protecting, like                                                                    
     we do in our wild stock  policy; if you've got a strong                                                                    
     hatchery  run and  a weak  wild run.   Well,  we're not                                                                    
     going  to be  fishing on  those hatchery  fish if  it's                                                                    
     going to endanger the wild ones. ...                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     In  a sense,  we protect  our wild  stocks; we  have to                                                                    
     protect our stock  segments.  I can see  that going too                                                                    
     far  when  people   started  identifying  every  little                                                                    
     valley in  Southeast as a  ... discrete  stock segment,                                                                    
     then you're  kind of in  trouble; you won't be  able to                                                                    
     harvest  anything. ...  I  think  it's something  you'd                                                                    
     take in consideration, but it can be taken too far.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2500                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BRETT HUBER,  Appointee to the  Board of Fisheries,  related that                                                               
he has been a resident of Alaska  for 18 years and lives with his                                                               
wife and four children on the banks  of the Kenai River.  He told                                                               
the committee  that he thinks it  is an honor and  a privilege to                                                               
be appointed to the BOF.  Mr.  Huber said the question that he is                                                               
most  frequently asked  since  being appointed  is,  "Why in  the                                                               
world do you want  to do that."  He noted that  as an observer of                                                               
the  board process  throughout the  years, he  himself had  asked                                                               
that same question of numerous  people.  Mr. Huber explained that                                                               
his reasoning is that the  states' fisheries are an integral part                                                               
of Alaska, its residents, economics, and culture.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER suggested  that [serving  on the  BOF] is  a huge  and                                                               
important  responsibility  as well  as  a  great opportunity  for                                                               
public service.   Serving on the BOF is an  opportunity to return                                                               
something that  he's so enjoyed  to the fisheries and  the state.                                                               
Furthermore,   it's  an   opportunity   to   ensure  that   these                                                               
opportunities are  available for  future generations  of Alaska's                                                               
children.   Mr. Huber said  he thinks  he brings some  skills and                                                               
tools  to  this  position  such   as  his  familiarity  with  the                                                               
constitutional,  statutory,  and  regulatory framework  on  which                                                               
fishery management decisions are made.   Mr. Huber suggested that                                                               
his  service as  staff  to  the legislature  has  given him  some                                                               
insight into the process and  the interaction between management,                                                               
regulators,  and  legislators.   He  noted  his familiarity  with                                                               
management  agencies  and  suggested  that he  could  bring  some                                                               
personal skills to  this position, such as the  ability to listen                                                               
and help  facilitate discussions.   He mentioned that he's  had a                                                               
long  interest  in  management  and  resource  management  issues                                                               
because he's been  a resource user.  Mr. Huber  explained that he                                                               
became  the most  actively involved  about 10  years ago  when he                                                               
realized  that  if  he  cared   about  the  resource,  wanted  to                                                               
participate, and continue to have  the opportunity, then he would                                                               
have to be involved in the regulatory process.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER turned to constitutional  common property ownership and                                                               
said that  along with  the right  to harvest  their fish  comes a                                                               
commensurate stewardship  responsibility.  Mr. Huber  related his                                                               
view that if  it's a common property resource and  belongs to all                                                               
[Alaskans], then it's  not just about harvest;  it's about taking                                                               
care  of those  fish, and  that helped  him get  involved in  the                                                               
process.   He explained that  he started out by  participating in                                                               
BOF meetings  and serving in various  committees during meetings,                                                               
task force mediation groups, and  he also noted his experience in                                                               
serving on a couple of committees  on [NPFMC].  He mentioned that                                                               
he  doesn't   have  as   much  experience  or   as  good   of  an                                                               
understanding of the process with NPFMC  as he does with the BOF.                                                               
Mr. Huber noted  that his participation also prompted  him to run                                                               
for office in  1994.  Although he was  defeated by Representative                                                               
Masek, his help  with her general election campaign  led to staff                                                               
positions with Senator Lyda Green,  Senator Rick Halford, and the                                                               
Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER explained  that his experience dealing  with the Senate                                                               
Resources Standing  Committee offered him an  opportunity to look                                                               
at fisheries and  resource issues, as well  as agency legislative                                                               
regulative  interaction,  which  had  been one  of  his  ways  of                                                               
becoming involved.   He said another way he's  become involved is                                                               
by  being  affiliated  with  or   by  being  appointed  to  other                                                               
positions,  entities, or  organizations, which  is listed  on his                                                               
resume.   Mr. Huber  pointed out that  one position  that doesn't                                                               
appear on his resume is that he  is an ex officio director of the                                                               
Alaska Fisheries Development Foundation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER  informed  the  committee that  he  is  the  executive                                                               
director  of the  Kenai  River  Sportfishing Association  (KRSA),                                                               
which  is  a  nonprofit  member-based  conservation  organization                                                               
whose  mission is  the preservation  of the  Kenai River  through                                                               
protecting   habitat,   providing    education,   and   promoting                                                               
responsible sport  fishing.  He  explained work is done  in three                                                               
main  areas:   habitat improvements  and angler  access projects;                                                               
fishery    conservation    work,   underwriting    and    studies                                                               
participating in  research work;  and public  education, outreach                                                               
through  the schools,  state agencies,  and  the general  public.                                                               
Mr. Huber  specified that his  job as executive director  of KRSA                                                               
is  an annual  salaried position;  he handles  the administrative                                                               
functions   of  the   association;  supervises   the  staff   and                                                               
volunteers;  and implements  the programs  and policies  that are                                                               
established by  the board.  He  said he had a  lengthy discussion                                                               
with the  13-member policy  board prior to  applying for  the BOF                                                               
position.  Mr. Huber remarked:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     One of the things that I  wanted to make sure was taken                                                                    
     care of or discussed early on  is the policy board - if                                                                    
     I have  13 directors that  believe one way on  an issue                                                                    
     and they bring  that to the board of fish.   Would I be                                                                    
     on  that [Board  of Fisheries],  I would  look at  that                                                                    
     advice  as  I would  advice  from  another user  group,                                                                    
     another  entity, another  advocate.   Another  advocate                                                                    
     would weigh and  balance that advice.  And  from all of                                                                    
     the information,  if my  conclusion differed  with that                                                                    
     opinion,  they could  expect me  to vote  against their                                                                    
     position.  I not only told  them that, I told them if I                                                                    
     couldn't  say that,  and if  I  didn't mean  it, I  had                                                                    
     absolutely  no  business  applying for  this  position;                                                                    
     they have no problem with that.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     So, again, I do not  have a policy-making role in KRSA,                                                                    
     and  my position  or the  association generally  is not                                                                    
     either  conditioned  or  dependent  on  the  [Board  of                                                                    
     Fisheries]   decisions.   ...   There   are   potential                                                                    
     conflicts  with  any candidate  or  any  member of  the                                                                    
     [Board of  Fisheries]. ... My understanding  of the way                                                                    
     that's solved  is, we're required  to ...  disclose any                                                                    
     potential  conflicts,  and  the chairman  ...  makes  a                                                                    
     ruling on whether  a conflict exists and  what level of                                                                    
     participation you  can have.   I  have no  problem with                                                                    
     that  process,  and  would  obviously  abide  by  those                                                                    
     decisions and rulings.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER noted  that other affiliations listed on  his resume do                                                               
have  policy roles  and  a potential  conflict.   Those  include:                                                               
vice  president, Alaska  Outdoor Council  (AOC); vice  president,                                                               
Alaska  Outdoor  Council  Political   Action  Committee;  and  ex                                                               
officio,  Alaska Fisheries  Development  Foundation.   Mr.  Huber                                                               
said he  had informed all three  of those entities of  his intent                                                               
to  resign  his positions  upon  confirmation  to  the BOF.    He                                                               
informed the  committee that he  is also vice [president]  of the                                                               
Kenai  River  Special  Management Area  (KRSMA)  Advisory  Board,                                                               
which is as advisory in capacity  and gives advice to state parks                                                               
on  the  management   of  the  KRSMA  land   [indisc.]  that  the                                                               
legislature  designated.   That's  not  a  policy role,  it's  an                                                               
advisory role  in which  the decision maker  is [the  Division of                                                               
Parks & Outdoor Recreation], he  explained.  The Exxon Valdez Oil                                                               
Spill (EVOS)  Trustee Council Public  Advisory Committee  is also                                                               
advisory in capacity,  and the decision makers  are the trustees.                                                               
Mr. Huber  explained that he  enjoys service on those  groups and                                                               
doesn't  see  a conflict,  but  rather  he  sees a  benefit  from                                                               
crosspollination of ideas and information.  He remarked:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     As it's  not uncommon  with the  Cook Inlet  sport fish                                                                    
     appointment  to the  board  of  fish, my  appointment's                                                                    
     generated  some  interest.    Representative  Berkowitz                                                                    
     told me  yesterday that he  thinks I may  have actually                                                                    
     headed  out daylight  savings  time.   I  let him  know                                                                    
     today I  called 100 of  my friends, asked them  to send                                                                    
     emails on  daylight savings  time and  I was  hoping to                                                                    
     push them back over the  [indisc.].  We'll see how that                                                                    
     goes.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  acknowledged that  since his  appointment he  has been                                                               
characterized  as everything  from the  devil to  the best  thing                                                               
since  sliced bread.    The  truth lies,  he  said, somewhere  in                                                               
between those two,  and it's up for [the  legislature] to decide.                                                               
He turned  to the  accusations of  being against  consumptive use                                                               
and said  that would come as  a huge surprise to  his wife, kids,                                                               
friends, and  family who participate  in the fisheries  with him.                                                               
He said that  although he is a consumptive user,  it doesn't mean                                                               
that he  kills every fish  he catches.  However,  consumptive use                                                               
of Alaska's  fishery resources for Alaskan  families is obviously                                                               
a priority use.  "I don't oppose consumptive use," he said.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER then turned to  the accusations of ignoring science and                                                               
even  worse,  advocating  against  good  biological  information.                                                               
"That's  just patently  wrong,"  he stated.    He explained  that                                                               
there  are always  socioeconomic  considerations  that come  into                                                               
play with the biology when  making resource management decisions.                                                               
However, he  opined that when  there is good biology  that points                                                               
to  a conclusion,  no amount  of public  testimony or  haranguing                                                               
ought to ask [a board member]  to ignore that biology.  [Biology]                                                               
is  the basis  of managing  and regulating  these fisheries.   It                                                               
would  be  a  lot  easier  if all  the  biological  answers  were                                                               
available.   The  difficulty comes  when a  board is  tasked with                                                               
addressing  conservation  and  development of  Alaska's  fishery.                                                               
"If you had to do just one  or the other, it'd probably be pretty                                                               
easy," he remarked.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-41, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2965                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER  pointed  out  that  oftentimes,  there  isn't  clear,                                                               
concise  biological information  that points  to an  answer.   In                                                               
that case,  the best biological  information and the  best advice                                                               
from  managers,  stakeholders, and  others  that  know about  the                                                               
resource is obtained and the best decision is made.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2950                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER said:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Regardless of what  I say today, [I]  will not convince                                                                    
     some people that  this is not the case.   But I am not,                                                                    
     nor have I  ever been, an advocate for  the demise [of]                                                                    
     commercial fisheries  in Alaska.   That makes  no sense                                                                    
     to me at  all.  The commercial fisheries  in Alaska are                                                                    
     incredibly  important   to  individual   fishermen,  to                                                                    
     fishing families,  the coastal communities, and  to the                                                                    
     general welfare of the state.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER commented that one of  the reasons he wants to serve on                                                               
the board  right now is  because it's an incredibly  dynamic time                                                               
with real opportunities.  Some  ideas are coming forward from the                                                               
industry,   which is where he  believes they should.   He related                                                               
his belief that  having a [member] with a  sport fish perspective                                                               
makes  real  sense; sport  fish  and  [commercial] fish  are  not                                                               
mortal  enemies,  he opined.    He  expressed  the need  to  find                                                               
answers  to overcapitalization  issues; product  issues; delivery                                                               
issues; competition  issues; [and] farmed salmon  issues.  "We've                                                               
got to figure out  how to do things better in  order to take that                                                               
important  industry   into  the   future,  have  it   viable  and                                                               
sustainable,  and I  think I  can  help in  that discussion,"  he                                                               
said.   Furthermore, Alaskans deserve  a BOF that listens  to all                                                               
the users  in the gear  groups; relies on sound  science; manages                                                               
conservatively if  good information is lacking;  and seeks advice                                                               
from  the   managers.    The   BOF  should  fully   consider  the                                                               
implications  of  its decisions  and  utilize  a transparent  and                                                               
understandable  process.   The public  and the  users have  to be                                                               
involved in the regulatory process.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER concluded:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Should you  choose to confirm my  appointment, ... I'll                                                                    
     do my  level best  to meet  those expectations;  I look                                                                    
     forward  to  the opportunity  to  work  with other  new                                                                    
     board members  and the four dedicated  individuals that                                                                    
     are continuing  service on the  board, and I'll  do the                                                                    
     job to  the best of  my ability.   I do my  homework; I                                                                    
     try to  be thorough;  there's a  huge learning  curb, I                                                                    
     think,  for  anybody ...  appointed  to  the board  ...                                                                    
     regardless  of their  background.   It's a  board; it's                                                                    
     not an individual,  and the dynamics of  that board say                                                                    
     if  you bring  differing  perspectives; differing  view                                                                    
     points; and differing expertise  from areas; as a whole                                                                    
     you're probably  going to do  a better job  than making                                                                    
     decisions  in  the   myriad  fisheries  throughout  the                                                                    
     state.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked  Mr. Huber to explain  his position on                                                               
the hook and release of king [salmon].                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2756                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER  indicated  Representative   Green  was  referring  to                                                               
actions by  BOF at its most  recent upper Cook Inlet  meeting and                                                               
the position  taken by Mr.  Huber's association at  that meeting.                                                               
He explained  that the  issue began  with a  department biologist                                                               
managing the Kenai River king fisheries  who began to see a trend                                                               
in decline of  the numbers of "five ocean  fish" - seven-year-old                                                               
fish, and  the largest  of the  Kenai kings.   Concern  over that                                                               
decline has  been increasing from  year to year.   Although there                                                               
was some internal  debate in the department about  whether it was                                                               
going to bring a proposal forward, it did not.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER explained  that the biologist met with  the local ADF&G                                                               
advisory committee  and presented  his information  and concerns.                                                               
The  ADF&G  advisory committee  drafted  a  proposal calling  for                                                               
protection of  five ocean  fish and  a non-retention  slot limit.                                                               
[The biologist]  suggested that  fish of  this size  shouldn't be                                                               
retained.   [The  biologist]  noted that  the  proposal had  come                                                               
before the  board meeting  and received  a lot  of testimony.   A                                                               
number  of  options  were discussed,  including  a  non-retention                                                               
limit.    However,  it  couldn't   be  decided  what  size  range                                                               
shouldn't be kept.  Mr.  Huber explained that currently, there is                                                               
a two-fish annual  limit on the Kenai [River] and  one option was                                                               
the possibility  of reducing that  limit to one fish  annually or                                                               
to make that  two-fish annual limit happen outside  of a specific                                                               
time period.   Another consideration  was limiting the  number of                                                               
days  on the  river that  would be  available for  fishing.   The                                                               
association,  KRSA,   reviewed  that  issue  and   provided  what                                                               
management  technique could  be used  to continue  participation,                                                               
yet drastically  reduce the harvest.   The association  favored a                                                               
catch-and-release fishery for  the first run for a  life cycle of                                                               
the run.   As  far as  that being  a benefit  to the  guides, Mr.                                                               
Huber related  his belief  that slightly over  70 percent  of the                                                               
first  run  fishery  is  guided  clientele,  which  he  indicated                                                               
consisted  of  a high  percentage  of  Alaskans using  guides  to                                                               
access  the fishery.    "You either  have  to drastically  reduce                                                               
participation  or reduce  harvest  because you  have more  demand                                                               
than you have supply of the resource," he said.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2607                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN   mentioned  his  belief   that  [obtaining                                                               
accurate] data  in regard to  the Kenai River is  very difficult.                                                               
He mentioned the number of salmon  in the river versus the amount                                                               
being efficiently  caught.  He  asked if  the reason it  takes so                                                               
much longer on average [to catch  a salmon] was because there are                                                               
more anglers  on the river or  are the harvest numbers  down.  He                                                               
also asked  how it  is determined if  there are  fewer "five-year                                                               
fish" in the river.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER  explained  that  the  department  uses  a  number  of                                                               
techniques to  try to determine  how many fish are  entering [the                                                               
river];  what  escapement  levels   are;  and  what  river  entry                                                               
patterns are.   Sonar is  one of  the primary tools  utilized but                                                               
other  methods include  a creel  census; trips  along the  river;                                                               
observations along  the river;  and harvest  sampling data.   Mr.                                                               
Huber said there  are a number of reasons why  it can take longer                                                               
to  catch a  fish, such  as poor  water condition.   He  said the                                                               
escapement  range for  the  early  run Kenai  kings  is 7,200  to                                                               
14,000 fish,  and has  fallen in  that range in  most years.   He                                                               
explained that it  has required some type of  restriction to meet                                                               
those ranges in  6 of the last 12 [years],  and there's been some                                                               
kind of  in-season regulatory change  in 9  of the last  12 years                                                               
either to  restrict or to  localize.   He said the  components of                                                               
the  run  itself  really  come  from  creel  census  and  from  a                                                               
determination  made about  what percentage  component exists  and                                                               
what those numbers  are relative to run size and  a percentage of                                                               
the run  itself.  That's what's  dwindled, he noted.   He said it                                                               
was  about biological  concern -  the loss  of or  diminishing of                                                               
large fish.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE recalled  that last year the  Yukon River was                                                               
closed  to  commercial fishing.    Basically,  he explained,  the                                                               
cooperation between ADF&G and the  federal subsistence board only                                                               
went as  far as  the subsistence  board wanted  it to  go because                                                               
[ADF&G] wanted  to wait  until the fish  had entered  [the river]                                                               
before it  had an emergency  closure in case there  wasn't enough                                                               
fish.    However, the  subsistence  board  wanted to  close  [the                                                               
river] regardless  of the  number of  fish that came  in.   As it                                                               
turned  out,  the run  was  not  too bad  and  yet  there was  no                                                               
commercial fishing  of king [salmon].   Representative Fate asked                                                               
Mr.  Huber what  he thought  should or  could be  done to  form a                                                               
better cooperative  agreement between the federal  government and                                                               
Alaska.   He also asked  Mr. Huber what  he could do  to mitigate                                                               
the problem if there is a decline in the number of salmon.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  said the relationship between  the federal subsistence                                                               
board and  its management  and the state  BOF and  its management                                                               
are really  quite different.   The  federal subsistence  board is                                                               
tasked with providing subsistence  for federally qualified users,                                                               
whereas the state  BOF is tasked with providing  subsistence as a                                                               
priority,  but also  is concerned  about  all of  the other  user                                                               
groups.  He  said in regard to the Yukon  [River], the department                                                               
and board have taken  a lot of time and effort  trying to come up                                                               
with some  management protocol and  memorandums of  agreement and                                                               
understanding.  He  mentioned that the first  [effort] entailed a                                                               
two-year process [which was rejected].                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  said the state's  position in the [Yukon]  fishery was                                                               
to commence the fishery and then  close it if numbers deemed that                                                               
it was reasonable to do so.  He  added that the state felt it had                                                               
the "tools" to be able to  assess that run strength and make that                                                               
call.  He pointed out that  the issue was dealt with specifically                                                               
in cycle, right  after the federal subsistence board  came in and                                                               
the federal managers said they  were shutting everything down and                                                               
starting with a subsistence only fishery.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  turned to the  question of how  to make it  better and                                                               
related his belief  that the state board has to  look to what the                                                               
state  constitution  and  legislature  specify  [that  the  board                                                               
should do].  Furthermore, the BOF  has to act in the state's best                                                               
interest whether  that means going  along with the  federal board                                                               
or not.  "I  think we need to make sure that  we're the ones that                                                               
have the  best information  that our managers  are on  the ground                                                               
and know more than [the federal]  managers do," he said.  As long                                                               
as  co-management and  jurisdictional issues  exist, the  process                                                               
will continue.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2314                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE reiterated his  question about mitigating the                                                               
problem of  the lack of  kings and  chum [salmon] on  the [Yukon]                                                               
River.  He  noted that there had been some  talk about hatcheries                                                               
and other conservation methods.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER answered  that everyone's  still  trying to  determine                                                               
what's happening  with those fish.   "When a run is  depressed to                                                               
that point where  it's met a level  of ... a stock  of concern, I                                                               
think  you  have to  manage  very  conservatively," he  remarked.                                                               
Furthermore, the  burden of conservation must  be borne equitably                                                               
among the  user groups.  He  explained the need to  obtain better                                                               
science and better information in  order to understand more about                                                               
the  fish and  develop answers  with regard  to rebuilding  those                                                               
stocks.  Mr. Humber noted  his hesitation with regard to planting                                                               
hatchery  fish  in  a  system containing  as  much  wild  genetic                                                               
integrity  as  it does.    "You  can't  disregard wild  fish  and                                                               
replace them  with hatchery fish,"  he said.   The mandate  is to                                                               
make  sure the  wild fish  are sustainable  and being  conserved.                                                               
The wild fish must be managed conservatively, he opined.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2232                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT, referring  to the  Kenai River,  talked                                                               
about catch-and-release  and the  opportunity to keep  the larger                                                               
king [salmon].   He  mentioned a past  implementation of  the "52                                                               
inch  rule" in  times  of shortage  or  short escapement,  either                                                               
during  the first  run  or the  second  run.   He  said the  rule                                                               
allowed  one  to  keep  any  fish over  52  inches  in  times  of                                                               
shortage.    He asked  if  it  was  a  good management  skill  to                                                               
advocate keeping  the larger  fish, when now  the concern  is not                                                               
having the  big fish in  either run.   He remarked, "Not  being a                                                               
biologist I would feel  that if you take the big  fish out of the                                                               
river, pretty  soon what you're  going to  end up with  is little                                                               
fish."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER explained  that the department has  managed the fishery                                                               
kind  of with  a fishery  as a  restricted fishery  in which  one                                                               
restricts  a catch-and-release  and  allows  trophy retention  or                                                               
full closure depending on the level  of the run and the in-season                                                               
call  the  [department] makes.    The  52-inch [came  into  play]                                                               
during times of catch-and-release  when the [department] projects                                                               
that there  isn't enough fish  to allow a normal  harvest pattern                                                               
and still  make minimum  escapement levels.   One of  the options                                                               
available is  to go to  a catch-and-release fishery  that reduces                                                               
the  level  of  harvest.    However,  in  that  catch-and-release                                                               
fishery  there was  a trophy  retention of  fish over  52 inches.                                                               
Mr. Huber specified that the  discussion on the catch-and-release                                                               
provision occurred when  it was initially instituted  and then it                                                               
was reinstituted.  He recalled  that department staff said in the                                                               
years  when catch-and-release  retention  occurred  in the  early                                                               
run,   there  were   60-66  fish   harvested.     The  department                                                               
characterized that number was statistically insignificant.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER said:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  majority of  the five  ocean fish  fall in  a size                                                                    
     range, and there's  ... some disagreement on  it.  Some                                                                    
     say 40 to 55; some say 42 to  52; some say 45 to 55.  I                                                                    
     guess as  I've thought about  it and as  I've reflected                                                                    
     on  it, I'm  not certain  that  it does  make sense  to                                                                    
     retain.  As  I've talked to people they  say, 'Okay but                                                                    
     if there's  that few of them  but they're statistically                                                                    
     insignificant  with the  catch and  the total  harvest,                                                                    
     then  isn't it  all the  more reason  to protect  those                                                                    
     fish,' and I'd  have to say that's  a pretty convincing                                                                    
     argument.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  suggested staying  off of those  largest of  the large                                                               
fish for  a life cycle to  see the impact.   However, the concern                                                               
with that is  the possibility of the Kenai  River losing research                                                               
monies  because of  the lack  of  opportunity to  yield the  next                                                               
world record.   He pointed out that the Kenai  River has had more                                                               
management  dollars spent  and more  information  gathered on  it                                                               
than any other, because it is a world-class king salmon fishery.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1973                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  recalled that only  a couple years ago  the department                                                               
said that  size is probably  not even a  heritable characteristic                                                               
and now it seems the department  is saying, at this last meeting,                                                               
that  size  characteristics  are at  least  partially  heritable.                                                               
However, there might be other  things that contribute to the size                                                               
such as competition for spawning  beds.  He explained that KRSA's                                                               
position is  very different than  the BOF's decision  because the                                                               
board saw information that KRSA  didn't.  However, Mr. Huber said                                                               
he has  been swayed;  "I think  those big  fish probably  need to                                                               
just be laid off of for a while."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1939                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE commented on  the number of e-mails, which                                                               
tended  to  focus on  the  catch-and-release  issue, received  in                                                               
regard  to Mr.  Huber's [pending  appointment] to  the BOF.   She                                                               
asked if  he believes catch-and-release  has been used  in Alaska                                                               
or  other  states  as  an  effective  management  tool  for  fish                                                               
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER   replied  yes  and  related   that  catch-and-release                                                               
management  practices have  been used  in a  number of  fisheries                                                               
where  the  level  of  participation won't  allow  a  harvest  in                                                               
sustained populations.  The upper  Kenai River rainbow fishery is                                                               
an example of a catch-and-release  fishery.  Although there was a                                                               
lot of consternation and concern  regarding whether it would work                                                               
and  whether  participation  would   continue.    He  noted  that                                                               
participation in that fishery is up  as well as the population of                                                               
the trout  in that  fishery.  Mr.  Huber highlighted  that catch-                                                               
and-release fisheries have been used  in other areas of the Lower                                                               
48 in  that same type  of situation.   "Certainly, it's  a viable                                                               
management alternative;  is it  the right  management alternative                                                               
for all fisheries, no; is it an option, yes," he remarked.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE said she was  most disturbed by the letter                                                               
from   the  Kenai-Soldotna   [Fish  and   Game  (F&G)]   Advisory                                                               
Committee,  which  claims that  Mr.  Huber  is a  non-consumptive                                                               
advocate because  he is in  support of the concept  of catch-and-                                                               
release.   Representative McGuire  asked if that  concept stemmed                                                               
from  Proposal  297,  which  was  brought  up  by  that  advisory                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1822                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER   explained,  in   that  situation,   that  management                                                               
biologists  had an  initial  concern with  big  fish, which  they                                                               
brought to the  local advisory committee.   However, the proposal                                                               
that the  local advisory committee  drafted was not  a catch-and-                                                               
release proposal, rather it was  advocating a non-retention slot.                                                               
Therefore,  it was  a catch-and-release  proposal  only within  a                                                               
certain size limit that allowed  catch and retention of the other                                                               
fish.  He  pointed out that the "laundry list  of options" - such                                                               
as  fewer  fishing  days, change  in  annual  limits,  catch-and-                                                               
release,  non-retention, and  elimination of  trophies -  spawned                                                               
from a discussion that began with [Proposal 297].                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  McGUIRE asked  Mr.  Huber  if the  Kenai-Soldotna                                                               
[F&G] Advisory  Committee ever invited  him to come  before their                                                               
committee to  explain his position before  the non-recommendation                                                               
was issued.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER responded  no, adding  that he'd  found out  about the                                                               
decision made  at that  meeting the  following day.   He  said he                                                               
didn't  know the  [Kenai-Soldotna [F&G]  Advisory Committee]  was                                                               
planning  to  take that  action,  and  he  hadn't been  asked  to                                                               
participate  in   the  discussion.    "Certainly,   that's  their                                                               
opportunity, however; I'm  not suggesting that they  can't hold a                                                               
meeting and take that kind of action," he remarked.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1708                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked Mr. Huber how  important he believed                                                               
the in-season emergency order authority is for local managers.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER answered  that adaptive  management -  the ability  to                                                               
react  to   changes  in  fishing   conditions  in  season   -  is                                                               
imperative; fishery forecasting  is just as much of an  art as it                                                               
is a science.  He likened  fishery forecasting to a crystal ball.                                                               
Still,  the ability  for  managers  to react  in  season is  very                                                               
important.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1662                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DYSON commented  that  he was  most disturbed  by                                                               
some  of  the  comments  that  talked  about  Mr.  Huber's  being                                                               
arrogant, not listening, and  being inaccessible.  Representative                                                               
Dyson asked  Mr. Huber  to comment about  what may  have prompted                                                               
those kinds of observations.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  responded, "Certainly, we  all have our times  that we                                                               
are  probably  more abrupt  than  we  ought  to  be and  that  we                                                               
probably  should  have  listened   more  intently  than  we  were                                                               
supposed  to, but  I  certainly  try to  be  a  good listener;  I                                                               
certainly try  to be a  productive participant in  discussions or                                                               
things that  I'm involved in."   He said he  had no idea  what to                                                               
say about what  motivates or makes a person feel  like that's the                                                               
case and to  act out on it.   Mr. Huber noted that he  had seen a                                                               
variety of  comments "from the worst  thing in the world,  to the                                                               
best thing  in the world" and  he suggested that he  was probably                                                               
somewhere in between those two.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON said  his friend Bob Penny (ph)  has made an                                                               
eloquent case for  how much more a sport cod  fish makes economic                                                               
sense to  the economy of  Alaska and  how much more  dollars that                                                               
fish  attracts  and brings  to  the  economy  as opposed  to  the                                                               
commercial fish.   He said some folks make the  case that fishing                                                               
has been a part of their  family tradition or heritage for a long                                                               
time, and others say,  "If I can't fish, I'd go  nuts and I'd end                                                               
up ...  being in one  of your  mental hospitals or  wherever else                                                               
...."  He said there's a lot  of benefit that fish bring, some of                                                               
which is difficult to quantify.   He asked Mr. Huber how to begin                                                               
to evaluate what is the best  way to use renewable resources such                                                               
as the fish in [Alaska].                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1504                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  noted that some  people make arguments about  the per-                                                               
pound value of  sport caught fish and those  [arguments] are kind                                                               
of  made from  extrapolated  general dollars  and  the amount  of                                                               
fish.    However, when  the  value  of commercial  fisheries  are                                                               
looked at,  it's a lot  easier because it's always  reported next                                                               
vessel  value.    Mr.  Huber  related that  he  views  the  sport                                                               
fisheries as adding  value.  However, that doesn't  mean that the                                                               
sport fishery  has the harvest power  and ability to turn  all of                                                               
the renewable  resource fisheries  into money through  that value                                                               
added  process;  there is  no  way  that  the sport  fishery  can                                                               
harvest all of the fish that are available to harvest.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  said there's no way  that a sport fish  economy that's                                                               
very important  in one region  will necessarily be the  answer in                                                               
another  region  that's  virtually dependant  on  the  commercial                                                               
fishery  for its  cash economy.   He  suggested that  it's not  a                                                               
"one-size-fits-all"  and each  region  and each  fishery must  be                                                               
looked  at  individually  with   the  allocation  criteria  being                                                               
applied individually.   He mentioned  not looking at  just direct                                                               
pound-for-pound  value  but  value  to  the  local  economy;  the                                                               
availability of  other resources; and  other cash economy  in the                                                               
area.   Mr. Huber  remarked, "I don't  think you can  do it  as a                                                               
cookie cutter,  ... I  think you  have to make  those calls  on a                                                               
fishery by fishery basis."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DYSON turned  to  the Cook  Inlet fishery,  where                                                               
allocation issues are "butting heads"  most noticeably.  He noted                                                               
that Mr.  Huber has been representing  one of the user  groups in                                                               
the  Cook  Inlet fishery,  and,  if  confirmed,  would sit  in  a                                                               
position  that  would  very   keenly  affect  those  allocations.                                                               
Therefore,   [Mr.    Huber's   confirmation]    is   problematic.                                                               
Representative Dyson  inquired as to  the results of  the board's                                                               
vote on the catch-and-release issue.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1351                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER  responded that  the  board  voted  on and  adopted  a                                                               
modified kind  of non-retention  slot.   He explained  that there                                                               
are no  fish between 40  and 55 inches  for the beginning  of the                                                               
run  through June  10; catch-and-release  of fish  other than  55                                                               
inches in the  last 20 days of June, and  then back to management                                                               
with no  changes in  the second  run.   Mr. Huber  said it  was a                                                               
compromise that  was offered by  one of the participants  and was                                                               
adopted by the board with a vote of 7-0.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON asked Mr. Huber if he was on the board.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER  replied  no,  and   said  if  he  is  confirmed,  his                                                               
appointment would not take effect until July 1.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT, referring  to  Upper  Cook Inlet,  said                                                               
there are currently  more than 30 management plans  for the area.                                                               
He noted  that at a recent  BOF meeting, Mr. Huber  had supported                                                               
the  development  of  several new  management  plans  that  would                                                               
basically limit the EO authority of local managers.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER  answered that  he  did  not  think that  was  correct                                                               
[information]  and that  he  had, in  fact,  participated in  the                                                               
drafting  and submittal  of Proposal  216, which  called for  the                                                               
adoption and  development of  a management  plan for  the Kasilof                                                               
River.   He  explained that  there were  several other  proposals                                                               
that weren't management plan proposals,  but instead were changes                                                               
to the  management plan.   He noted that  one of the  things that                                                               
was  proposed was  linking a  fishing time  to abundance,  and he                                                               
said "they adopted  an abundance-based method of a below  2, 2 to                                                               
4, and over 4 million fish in the past cycle."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER  said it wasn't specified  and was, in fact,  linked to                                                               
hours  and was  [recommended  to  be] at  the  discretion of  the                                                               
managers.  He noted support for  a mandatory Friday window in the                                                               
king plan  and a  mandatory 24-hour window  in the  sockeye plan.                                                               
He explained that the idea was  to tie it to abundance, but leave                                                               
the managers  the flexibility  to determine  when they  use those                                                               
additional hours,  whether it's extending  a period or  opening a                                                               
period.  Depending on the tides,  the winds, or the push of fish,                                                               
24 hours can make a huge difference, he said.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI mentioned  there were a few things  of concern in                                                               
regard to  the BOF request,  one of  which was the  agenda change                                                               
request - "the board taking things  out of cycle."  He noted that                                                               
there's  legislation regarding  the agenda  change request.   Co-                                                               
Chair Scalzi turned to Mr.  Huber's support of biological science                                                               
for  concerns raised  to  the board  and asked  Mr.  Huber if  he                                                               
agreed that ADF&G  is the best suited [department]  to make those                                                               
biological decisions, for instance, for endangered runs.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER,   in  response,  said  certainly,   managers  of  the                                                               
resource, the  "folks on  the ground," and  the people  that have                                                               
the data  are going  to be  able to  provide the  best biological                                                               
advice  on  those  fisheries.   Furthermore,  the  aforementioned                                                               
folks would be  able to give their judgment  with the information                                                               
to say  whether they  believe there's  some type  of conservation                                                               
issue that  exists; they would  be best equipped to  provide that                                                               
advice to the board.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI,  referring to aquaculture,  said it  produces 40                                                               
percent  of salmon  in state;  currently,  there are  aquaculture                                                               
associations throughout Alaska.  He asked  Mr. Huber if he was in                                                               
support  of  the  aquaculture  program  as  long  as  it  doesn't                                                               
conflict with natural runs.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1040                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER said  the mandate to the BOF, generally,  is to protect                                                               
the wild  runs first and  foremost.   Basically it comes  down to                                                               
knowing what the  wild run is and having some  kind of management                                                               
assessments  of the  wild run.   Mr.  Huber said  he would  be in                                                               
support if the situation is such that  the wild run is known in a                                                               
way that an aquaculture association  can participate in enhancing                                                               
runs or providing additional fish that  don't do harm to the wild                                                               
runs  and  that  make  economic   sense.    He  said  enhancement                                                               
aquaculture works  in some areas;  however, in some areas  of the                                                               
state,  aquaculture  has  struggled  significantly.    Mr.  Huber                                                               
remarked, "I think  the aquaculture in how we  use hatcheries and                                                               
what  makes sense  for hatcheries  is  a legitimate  part of  the                                                               
discussion that  the industry  needs to have  ... looking  at how                                                               
we're  going  to  move forward  with  a  successful,  sustainable                                                               
salmon industry."   Some projects  may make sense,  some projects                                                               
may  not, he  said.   He  reiterated that  he thought  individual                                                               
circumstances need to be reviewed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI noted his belief  that the Cook Inlet Aquaculture                                                               
Association (CIAA)  has been very  successful in promoting  a lot                                                               
of the runs  throughout the area.  Furthermore, it  seems to have                                                               
created   a  greater   opportunity  for   commercial  and   sport                                                               
[fishing], generating about  $7 million statewide.   He asked Mr.                                                               
Huber  if he  was supportive  of the  aquaculture association  in                                                               
Cook Inlet and the continued funding for it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER asked  if the funding in question was  generated by the                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI  explained that  funding is  completely generated                                                               
by the industry, although other  funds from federal agencies have                                                               
been sought; for example, the  Kenai Borough successfully lobbied                                                               
for $1.5  million from U.S.  Senator Stevens to help  during some                                                               
of these low-cost times.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUBER acknowledged  that  there are  projects  that CIAA  is                                                               
involved  in   that  have  been   successful  and   haven't  been                                                               
detrimental.   He said in looking  at the situation found  in the                                                               
Big Lake system and  Fish Creek, it can be seen  that the run has                                                               
reached a  level of  stock that  is of concern.   There  are some                                                               
habitat  considerations and  some fish  migratory considerations.                                                               
Additionally, a  large consideration  is the  enhancement program                                                               
that took place in the  area without having very good information                                                               
on  the  wild  run;  without  having  wild-run  escapement  data;                                                               
without having a  very good way of setting escapement  goals.  He                                                               
opined  that the  aforementioned  was detrimental  to where  that                                                               
fishery  is today.   He  clarified  that he  didn't believe  "you                                                               
ought to  just shut  their doors  and send  them away,"  but each                                                               
individual   project   should   be   scrutinized   and   everyone                                                               
participating in aquaculture should be held to a high standard.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI noted that the  committee has dealt with both the                                                               
EO  and the  aquaculture associations  throughout the  state with                                                               
agenda change requests.   In regard to the  conflict of interest,                                                               
it would  be his purview  to make it  broad, similar to  what the                                                               
legislature  has.     He  noted  his  personal   belief  is  that                                                               
knowledgeable  people  involved  in  the industry  should  be  on                                                               
boards throughout  the state.  Co-Chair  Scalzi expressed concern                                                               
with  Mr. Huber's  appointment because  of  his involvement  with                                                               
KRSA.  He asked  Mr. Huber if he thought he  will have a conflict                                                               
on a  lot of Cook Inlet  issues that specifically pertain  to the                                                               
Kenai River because of his employment and associations.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0707                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUBER reiterated that he doesn't  have a policy role in KRSA.                                                               
"What I've told  Kenai River Sport Fishing  [Association] is, ...                                                               
this either  takes you out of  the proposal business or  you know                                                               
that obviously I'd  be conflicted out on voting  on any proposals                                                               
that  Kenai River  Sportfishing Association  brings forward,"  he                                                               
related.   However, he  didn't believe  that his  conflicts would                                                               
not allow him  to participate on any issues that  deal with sport                                                               
fishing  in  Cook   Inlet.    He  noted  that   his  position  or                                                               
association is  not conditioned  upon how  that sport  fishery is                                                               
conducted or  what the board  decisions are.   Mr. Huber  said it                                                               
would be hard for him to  suggest that he knows where a potential                                                               
conflict would  arise, but  he said  he would  certainly disclose                                                               
any time  he felt a  conflict existed and  he would abide  by the                                                               
ruling of the chair.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0561                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR  N. NELSON,  Appointee  to the  Board  of Fisheries,  told                                                               
members that  he moved to Alaska  in the early 1980s  and settled                                                               
in Anchorage where  he graduated high school.   He explained that                                                               
he grew  up spending quite a  bit of time on  his parents gillnet                                                               
boats in Prince William Sound.  He  noted that a lot of the other                                                               
summers  were spent  in  his bicycle  shop  building and  selling                                                               
bikes.  Mr. Nelson said he had  spent a summer trolling in one of                                                               
the last derby  halibut openers out of Elfin Cove  and has had an                                                               
extensive  fisheries  advocacy  career.   He  explained  that  he                                                               
worked for  the regional native  non-profit Kawerak,  Inc., based                                                               
in  Nome as  a fisheries  specialist  advocating subsistence  and                                                               
small  boat commercial  fishing as  well as  trying to  help them                                                               
assess and  rebuild the  chum salmon  stocks in  the region.   He                                                               
said he  also worked for  the Bering Sea  Fishermen's Association                                                               
in a similar  capacity, but across a broader  region from Bristol                                                               
Bay  all the  way North  to Kotzebue  Sound, including  the Yukon                                                               
River  into the  Interior.   Mr. Nelson  said most  recently he's                                                               
working  for  the  At-Sea Processor's  Association,  which  is  a                                                               
sector of  the Bering  Sea Pollock Fishery.   Although  he didn't                                                               
really know  why he  wants to  be on  the board,  he said  he has                                                               
wanted to  pursue it  for a  while and has  been active  in board                                                               
issues for a number of years.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON stated  that is fairly familiar with  certain areas of                                                               
the  state and  has always  loved  fishing and  fisheries in  the                                                               
state.   He said he is  an avid sport fisherman  and spends every                                                               
free moment he  can get during the summertime on  his boat out of                                                               
Whittier or  Seward, and that he  would like to learn  more about                                                               
other fisheries in  the state and help them  with their problems.                                                               
He  mentioned his  desire to  ensure that  the resource  is taken                                                               
care  of  and help  deal  with  allocation  issues.   Mr.  Nelson                                                               
offered his  belief that within  the next  five to ten  years the                                                               
board is going to have  some monumental tasks, especially dealing                                                               
with rationalization or revitalization  for the commercial salmon                                                               
fisheries.   He noted that  there isn't  going to be  a one-size-                                                               
fits-all solution  for the state;  there might be  fisheries that                                                               
don't  need or  want  any  change right  now,  and  it's not  the                                                               
boards' role to be forcing "anything down people's throats."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  asked Mr. Nelson to  address the conflict                                                               
of interest  issue, how that would  impact him, and how  he would                                                               
foresee it actually working if he  had a conflict.  He noted that                                                               
Mr.  Nelson  would  have  some   conflicts  due  to  his  current                                                               
employment and  asked him if that  meant he would not  be able to                                                               
participate in those related areas.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON said he didn't know,  but noted that he approached his                                                               
employer about  his interest in  pursuing a  seat on the  BOF and                                                               
the possibility  that he that he  could be "conflicted out."   He                                                               
pointed  out  that  a  lot  of the  issues  for  these  companies                                                               
represented  by At-Sea  Processor's  Association  are related  to                                                               
fisheries that  are largely  addressed in  the NPFMC  arena; only                                                               
every few  years do a handful  of proposals with a  direct affect                                                               
on the  companies in  the association  come before  the BOF.   He                                                               
said that  if he, the  Department of  Law, or the  BOF's chairman                                                               
has  the opinion  that he's  conflicted, then  he is  conflicted.                                                               
Mr. Nelson  explained that  he would certainly  like to  have the                                                               
opportunity to  bring the perspective and  understanding for some                                                               
of the other  fisheries into the arena and  into the discussions.                                                               
Whether voting  would be allowed  is ultimately up to  the chair,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0095                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI  noted that currently,  the BOF has  adopted more                                                               
of the old federal-type management  where the opening and closing                                                               
dates are more  restrictive.  He asked Mr. Nelson  his opinion of                                                               
in-season management and emergency order authority.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON said  he thought it is an incredibly  valuable tool to                                                               
have, and  that it is  necessary to trust the  department because                                                               
they  are the  experts who  know  these fisheries  just about  as                                                               
intimately  as the  people  participating in  the  fishing.   Mr.                                                               
Nelson  suggested the  [number  of fish]  is  never really  known                                                               
until the fish show up.  He  said if there is a highly prescribed                                                               
management  plan that  really ties  the department's  hands, "the                                                               
fish  are either  going to  go through  or they're  going to  get                                                               
nailed, so you really need to have that flexibility."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-42, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI mentioned interception  fisheries and some of the                                                               
conflicts  that arise  between False  Pass, Chignik,  Kodiak, and                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON said  in  some fisheries  it's  simply an  allocation                                                               
issue between different commercial  fishing registration areas or                                                               
it  might be  an issue  in which  true escapement  needs are  not                                                               
being met or  subsistence, which has a higher  priority under the                                                               
law, might  have to  be looked at  differently.   Basically, most                                                               
cases  "boil  down  to  sharing   the  burden  in  your  relative                                                               
proportion on the stock of concern," he said.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SCALZI   asked  Mr.  Nelson   what  he   thought  about                                                               
aquaculture programs throughout the state.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  related his belief  that [aquaculture  programs] have                                                               
provided some  tremendous benefits  to many  areas of  the state,                                                               
and therefore he is supportive of the program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI inquired  as to Mr. Nelson's thought  on the role                                                               
of  the BOF  in relation  to what  comes out  of the  salmon task                                                               
force.   He  also  inquired as  to Mr.  Nelson's  thought of  the                                                               
legislation  that was  put forth  in an  effort to  stimulate the                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  said it's not  up to the  BOF to necessarily  come up                                                               
with the answers.   The stakeholders, fishermen,  and user groups                                                               
need to come up with suggestions  and it's the boards job to make                                                               
them fit, such as with  conservation needs or certain allocations                                                               
between different groups.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0232                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI  asked Mr. Nelson  how he felt ADF&G's  role fits                                                               
in with the conservation agenda changes that often take place.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  said he  thought [ADF&G] does  have a  very important                                                               
role in deciding  which agenda change requests  should be brought                                                               
up.   He  mentioned the  board's criteria  for accepting  agenda-                                                               
change  requests,   a  rather  stringent  set   of  requirements.                                                               
"However, you can  always ... massage things a little  bit to get                                                               
something  in under  a certain  thing, but  the authority  of the                                                               
department  or  the recommendations  of  the  department and  the                                                               
conservation  needs should  be  one of  the  primary reasons  for                                                               
accepting something out of cycle,"  he remarked.  Mr. Nelson said                                                               
that  oftentimes  issues arise  that  are  much larger  than  the                                                               
surface value of  the agenda-change request, which  really puts a                                                               
much higher burden of time and effort on the BOF.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SCALZI  said he  thought  a  lot  had  to do  with  the                                                               
stability that the various fishing  entities feel they would like                                                               
to see in the board process.   He said he thought those were most                                                               
of the  concerns that  he'd heard  about why  the board  needs to                                                               
"stay on its course and maintain that."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  McGUIRE  asked Mr.  Nelson  what  he thought  the                                                               
ideal make-up  of the  board should  be and  if he  thought there                                                               
should  be something  such as  a sport  fish versus  [commercial]                                                               
fish categorization.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0468                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON opined  that the  board should  consist of  [members]                                                               
from  a variety  of  regions  across the  state  and  a range  of                                                               
experience in different  fisheries.  The experience  of the board                                                               
members  along  with public  interaction  can  bring a  lot  more                                                               
information into  the process than might  otherwise be available.                                                               
Ideally,  it really  wouldn't matter  who  was on  the board,  he                                                               
remarked, as  long as the appointees  are willing to be  fair and                                                               
consistent and  make sure that  when the resources of  this state                                                               
are managed  right that  there's enough fish  for everybody.   As                                                               
long  as there  are members  willing to  appreciate the  value of                                                               
each of  the different  fisheries and the  importance of  them to                                                               
the  residents  of  the  state  and the  people  that  use  those                                                               
resources,  it  doesn't  really  matter  where  they're  from  or                                                               
they're fishing interest.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE  turned to the aforementioned  notion that                                                               
sport fishing  added value to  the salmon resource and  she asked                                                               
Mr. Nelson for his response to that notion.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  said it is  an interesting way to  look at it  and he                                                               
would agree  to some extent.   However, he said he  wouldn't want                                                               
to say  that sport  caught fish  are more  valuable than  fish in                                                               
another  fishery because  there are  a  lot of  other factors  to                                                               
consider, such as family history or culture.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  mentioned the  inland fisheries and  said he                                                               
didn't  know if  there was  a appointee  or current  board member                                                               
that represents the  "brown water" fishery, which  is in trouble.                                                               
He asked  Mr. Nelson  where he  would turn  for expertise  on the                                                               
board to deal with the brown water fishery problems.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON pointed  out that he is somewhat  familiar with issues                                                               
of  the Yukon  [River] and  the Interior  through his  work while                                                               
living  in  Nome  and  working for  the  Bering  Sea  Fisherman's                                                               
Association.  He noted that  he is certainly not as knowledgeable                                                               
as residents  and fishermen in  the region,  who would be  one of                                                               
the primary  groups from whom  to obtain information, as  well as                                                               
the department.   He said he certainly understands  the crisis of                                                               
the  fisheries  right  now;  the   fact  that  there  wasn't  any                                                               
commercial  fishing  last  year;  and that  on  the  Yukon  River                                                               
subsistence and  commercial fishing  are integrated.   Mr. Nelson                                                               
said ultimately those resources need  to be returned to a healthy                                                               
status so that everyone can enjoy the fruits of it all again.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0908                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR informed the committee  that he was a BOF member                                                               
for  eight years  and  has worked  with both  Mr.  Huber and  Mr.                                                               
Nelson on committee work dealing  with a lot of different issues.                                                               
Mr. Umphenour announced  his support of the  confirmation of both                                                               
Mr. Huber and Mr. Nelson.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0960                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ED  DERSHAM, Chair,  Board  of Fisheries,  said  he supports  all                                                               
three confirmations  and does  so based on  the process  that the                                                               
BOF  has.    Mr.  Dersham  explained  that  one  of  the  biggest                                                               
responsibilities  of the  chairman of  the  board is  to get  the                                                               
board  through its  workload in  each cycle  and meet  the budget                                                               
requirements.   He said a good  reason that's been done  the last                                                               
couple  of  years is  because  of  the  experience of  the  board                                                               
members and the ability of  everyone to understand exactly what's                                                               
happening so as to work quickly through the workload.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. DERSHAM  related his belief  that the three  [appointees] all                                                               
have experience that  will serve them well in  the board process.                                                               
For  instance,  Mr.  Nelson  and   Mr.  Merrigan  have  extensive                                                               
experience with NPFMC, an organization  that the board works with                                                               
frequently.   Furthermore, the experience  of Mr. Nelson  and Mr.                                                               
Merrigan  with the  BOF  will  give them  a  "jumpstart" on  that                                                               
learning curve.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DERSHAM characterized  Mr. Huber  as having  some experience                                                               
with  NPFMC and  extensive experience  with the  BOF process,  in                                                               
fact Mr. Huber probably knows  the process better than anyone who                                                               
is not  currently a sitting  member of  the board.   He remarked,                                                               
"From that perspective  of having three out of  seven new members                                                               
and being able to get through  our workload in the allotted time,                                                               
which is  a big concern  of mine, ... I  think that all  three of                                                               
these gentlemen will  be the best -- if you're  going to have new                                                               
members, these  will probably be  some of  the best we  could ...                                                               
have to accomplish that goal."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1140                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARVIN PETERS,  Chair, Homer [Fish and  Game] Advisory Committee,                                                               
provided the following remarks:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I would  ... agree with  Ed [Dersham] that  Brett Huber                                                                    
     knows   the  system   probably  better   than  anybody;                                                                    
     sometimes I think he knows  the system better than some                                                                    
     of  the sitting  board  members, but  I don't  consider                                                                    
     that a plus.  I think  that there are other things more                                                                    
     important than  expediency ....   [In] the  Homer area,                                                                    
     we see Mr. Huber as a  serious threat; we don't see him                                                                    
     as the  devil, but we  sure don't  see him as  the best                                                                    
     thing since sliced bread.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     I  noticed  he  ...  questioned ...  why  none  of  the                                                                    
     advisory committees  asked him  to come speak  and it's                                                                    
     because we've heard  him over the years;  it's a matter                                                                    
     of record,  we don't need  to hear his  opinion because                                                                    
     it's in  writing, and it's almost  always contradicting                                                                    
     ours;  he's doing  our sport  and commercial  fisheries                                                                    
     damage when he proposes  ... extensive management plans                                                                    
     every cycle. ...                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     He  mentioned  that  haranguing  and  public  testimony                                                                    
     don't  necessarily provide  the  best information,  but                                                                    
     often the  haranguing and  public testimony  are asking                                                                    
     the board  and people like  Mr. Huber to listen  to the                                                                    
     biologists.    Instead,  they've  been  known  to  hire                                                                    
     biologists  ... from  outside to  tell  the local  area                                                                    
     biologists  how to  do their  job and  explain why  the                                                                    
     extreme measures  they ask for  should be taken  at the                                                                    
     expense of  the local people  who are trying to  make a                                                                    
     living either sport or commercial fishing.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     We  have to  strongly oppose  Mr. Huber  and it's  with                                                                    
     some trepidation  that we do it  because there's always                                                                    
     a very  good chance he'll  be confirmed. ...  We'll see                                                                    
     what happens, but anyway, we oppose him.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1297                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCALZI asked that criticism be kept constructive and                                                                   
"above board."  He mentioned that the [confirmation hearing]                                                                    
would be conducted in a proper manner.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1329                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVID MARTIN, Chair, Central Peninsula [Fish and Game] Advisory                                                                 
Committee, informed the committee that he has 30 years of                                                                       
fishing experience in Cook Inlet.  He provided the following                                                                    
remarks:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     It   was  talked   about   in-season  abundance   based                                                                    
     management  and  EO  authority of  the  ...  biologists                                                                    
     here, and that  they need those tools  to perform their                                                                    
     job.  I  think we have a real good  tool, you guys down                                                                    
     there for this confirmation hearing  on Brett Huber.  I                                                                    
     heard him  talk and  he sounds  good; he  sounds great,                                                                    
     but unfortunately or fortunately  the tool that we have                                                                    
     on  the  confirmation  is  his   past  history  -  past                                                                    
     performance.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I've been  at the board  of fish meetings for  the last                                                                    
     25 years  and this  last 10 years  I've seen  Mr. Huber                                                                    
     drafting  proposals and  supporting  proposals that  do                                                                    
     exactly  the opposite  of what  he testified  today and                                                                    
     what  he's representing.   And  that's  taking away  EO                                                                    
     authority   from  the   managers  that'll   manage  the                                                                    
     fisheries;  ... disregarding  the reliable  science and                                                                    
     data;  and,  in  fact,  hiring  outside  biologists  to                                                                    
     dispute  the local  biologists'  and scientists'  data;                                                                    
     putting mandatory closures in.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     He's  was   talking  about   abundance-based  in-season                                                                    
     management; he was in favor  of 48 windows in a fishery                                                                    
     that used  to be ran by  the hour, so now  the fish can                                                                    
     steam in  the river for 48  hours - two days  - and the                                                                    
     biologists  have their  hands  tied and  they can't  do                                                                    
     anything.   He  supported  the closures  on the  silver                                                                    
     fisheries where you can't retain  a silver on October 1                                                                    
     for  the  local  sports  fishermen.     These  are  all                                                                    
     controversy for what he stated. ...                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     There's  a  lot  of  people  in  this  state  that  are                                                                    
     qualified  and the  controversy  of the  board of  fish                                                                    
     will  just continue  and  probably  escalate under  Mr.                                                                    
     Huber's  confirmation.  ...  I   think  it's  the  best                                                                    
     interest of  the state, the  fisheries, and  the people                                                                    
     that depend  upon these  fisheries both  for recreation                                                                    
     and for  their livelihood  to have  a person  that will                                                                    
     truly   represent   the    fisheries   and   biological                                                                    
     management and using the science available.  ...                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Please consider  all of the  information that  you guys                                                                    
     have received  ... in  the last  several weeks  on this                                                                    
     'cause  this is  serious  business  for fisheries  here                                                                    
      that [have] been basically, almost regulated out of                                                                       
     business ....                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1547                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
IRV  CARLISLE explained  that  he was  originally  a Kenai  River                                                               
fishing guide in the mid-1970s,  when the only requirement was to                                                               
have a  business license.   He  said he's  been a  businessman in                                                               
Soldotna  for more  than 30  years and  has served  two terms  as                                                               
president of the Soldotna Chamber  of Commerce, and has served on                                                               
a lot of boards both nonprofit  and profit.  Mr. Carlisle said he                                                               
has been involved in fisheries  for more than 30 years, including                                                               
13 years as the secretary of  the Soldotna Fish and Game Advisory                                                               
Committee  and has  been appointed  by 5  different governors  to                                                               
fisheries issues around  the state.  He explained that  he was on                                                               
the original Kenai River task force  and was vice chairman of the                                                               
original Kenai  River special  management area  board as  well as                                                               
vice chairman of the BOF.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.   CARLISLE   announced   his  opposition   to   Mr.   Huber's                                                               
confirmation  to the  BOF.    He explained  that  because of  his                                                               
involvement over  the years,  he gets  a lot  of phone  calls and                                                               
conversations with people regarding  fisheries issues, and in the                                                               
past has never  opposed nor promoted a nominee to  the board.  He                                                               
said  his phone  and  his  email have  been  clogged with  people                                                               
calling him  about Mr. Huber  and their opposition, and  the term                                                               
that is  consistent throughout  all of these  is arrogance.   Mr.                                                               
Carlisle said  he knows from his  experience on the BOF  that one                                                               
has to be a  good listener.  He commented that  if he were taking                                                               
everything Mr.  Huber said at  face value he'd be  suggesting Mr.                                                               
Huber be the  commissioner of ADF&G.  However,  Mr. Carlisle said                                                               
he doesn't  feel Mr. Huber has  the qualities to be  a good board                                                               
member.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1694                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS  asked  Mr.   Carlisle  his  thoughts  on                                                               
whether the subcommittee process is working.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARLISLE  responded  that  he  doesn't  like  the  committee                                                               
process  because an  open process  during which  everyone in  the                                                               
public  can [participate]  is  the best  process.   Mr.  Carlisle                                                               
pointed out  that the fisheries  statewide are so complex  and no                                                               
one  can understand  all of  them.   During  a committee  meeting                                                               
people can say  things that never get challenged.   However, when                                                               
meetings are held in an open  forum before the public people will                                                               
offer corrections.   "I think  it's a  much more open  process; I                                                               
think the  public gets  to participate  a great  deal more  and I                                                               
think everybody  is served better  by an  open process.   I don't                                                               
like the committee," he said.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  asked Mr. Carlisle  if Mr. Huber did  a good                                                               
job of  administering the process  that the board that  he worked                                                               
for promulgated.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARLISLE said  he could  not answer  that because  he wasn't                                                               
present during  all of Mr. Huber's  actions.  He remarked,  "If I                                                               
was there, I could say whether or  not - I know of certain things                                                               
that I  ... did hear him  say; I question when  I've read written                                                               
testimony contrary  to what  he said  he supports."   He  said he                                                               
believes wholeheartedly in Mr. Huber's  statement that he'd given                                                               
during this hearing, and he  couldn't disagree with anything that                                                               
was said.   "But having not  been there present, I  don't want to                                                               
rely  on  somebody  else's second-hand  information  to  make  my                                                               
judgment; I'd rather make it by  being present and I wasn't, so I                                                               
can't make that judgment," Mr. Carlisle remarked.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE pointed  out  that Mr.  Carlisle had  stated                                                               
that he'd received numerous calls  and letters opposing Mr. Huber                                                               
and took that  as a reason to  object.  He asked  Mr. Carlisle if                                                               
the reason he objected to  Mr. Huber's confirmation is because he                                                               
thought Mr. Huber was arrogant.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLISLE replied  that [Mr. Huber's arrogance] is  one of the                                                               
reasons and the  other reason is because he has  been in meetings                                                               
with Mr. Huber and concurred  with [the opposition's] assessments                                                               
of [Mr. Huber].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1876                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HERMAN  FANDEL  informed  the  committee that  he  is  a  34-year                                                               
resident of Alaska;  the owner of a commercial  fishing permit; a                                                               
sport fisherman; and  a licensed guide in Alaska.   He said he is                                                               
the owner of 3 businesses in  Alaska that rely on fish in Alaska.                                                               
Mr. Fandel  said he and his  family have known Mr.  Huber and his                                                               
family  for many  years, and  he knows  Mr. Huber  to be  a fine,                                                               
honest, hardworking person.  He  said Mr. Huber is confident, not                                                               
arrogant.   Mr. Fandel suggested  Mr. Huber will do  an excellent                                                               
job on the BOF  because he knows how the board  works and is very                                                               
knowledgeable  with  regard to  Alaska  fisheries.   He  said  he                                                               
highly recommends the confirmation of  Mr. Huber to a position on                                                               
the BOF  and he  truly believes that  all Alaskans  would benefit                                                               
from Mr. Huber's being on the BOF.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1929                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
IRENE FANDEL  noted that she  is a  34-year resident of  Kenai, a                                                               
sport fisher, and a  sport hunter.  She said she  is the owner of                                                               
Irene's Lodge, and fish are why  her business prospers.  She said                                                               
she recommends  Mr. Huber's confirmation  to the BOF  because Mr.                                                               
Huber  has worked  hard in  the past  for Alaska's  fisheries and                                                               
will be  a knowledgeable  addition to the  group.   She commented                                                               
that she  would feel secure in  knowing Mr. Huber is  looking out                                                               
for  all  [Alaskans'] interests.    She  urged the  committee  to                                                               
confirm Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2000                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BIX BONNEY  mentioned that he has  been a resident of  Alaska for                                                               
51 years and is  a past member of the BOF.  He  is also the owner                                                               
and operator  of North Star  Adventures Incorporated, which  is a                                                               
guiding   institution.     Mr.  Bonney   said  he   supports  the                                                               
appointment of  Mr. Huber to the  BOF.  He explained  that he and                                                               
Bob  Penny (ph)  created Kenai  River Sportfishing  Association a                                                               
number  of  years   ago,  and  as  executive   director  of  that                                                               
organization  Mr. Huber  has been  highly successful  in carrying                                                               
out the goals of the  organization, which are the conservation of                                                               
the  species,  the  preservation  of the  river  banks,  and  the                                                               
education of the public in accomplishing these goals.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BONNEY  characterized  Mr.   Huber  as  having  an  in-depth                                                               
knowledge of fisheries management,  and furthermore Mr. Huber has                                                               
proven to be a  very effective leader in that field.   He said he                                                               
has never known  Mr. Huber to involve himself in  any action that                                                               
would be  other than  beneficial to the  fisheries in  the state.                                                               
Mr. Bonney said Mr. Huber is  a strong leader and like any strong                                                               
leader he has  those that take "pot  shots" at him.   "But if you                                                               
investigate the  adverse statements of  some, you will  find that                                                               
just about all  of them have no basis in  fact, but rather, basis                                                               
in  personal  interest,"  he  charged.    Mr.  Bonney  urged  the                                                               
committee to  look with favor  on Mr. Huber's appointment  to the                                                               
BOF.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2077                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ELLIE SNAVELY explained that she is  a resident of Oregon and for                                                               
the  last seven  years has  traveled  every summer  to the  Kenai                                                               
River  for its  wonderful  fishing and  truly beautiful  scenery.                                                               
She stated support  for Mr. Huber's appointment to the  BOF.  Ms.                                                               
Snavely said  she has  observed the  diminishing numbers  of king                                                               
and silver salmon  and has been extremely happy to  see Mr. Huber                                                               
taking the lead  in effectively carrying out  the conservation of                                                               
the  salmon  species.   Speaking  as  a  tourist to  Alaska,  she                                                               
believes that  if there were more  efforts made in this  area, it                                                               
would be  for the  betterment of  "us all".   Ms.  Snavely highly                                                               
recommended the appointment of Mr. Huber to the BOF.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2131                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SAM McDOWELL  informed the  committee that he  came to  Alaska in                                                               
1948 and  has been involved in  fisheries for at least  50 years.                                                               
He  said  Mr. Huber  has  spoken  out  many times  regarding  his                                                               
support of habitat, resources, users,  and what needs to be done.                                                               
Mr. McDowell suggested  that Mr. Huber knows if the  BOF does not                                                               
support  habitat, resources,  and users,  then there  will be  no                                                               
resources for the  users, which is really important.   He said he                                                               
has been deeply  involved in fisheries and had, in  fact, come to                                                               
Juneau years  ago and testified at  the request of the  House and                                                               
Senate  Resources Committees.   Mr.  McDowell told  the committee                                                               
that Mr. Huber supports sustained yield.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCDOWELL  suggested that  resources  in  Cook Inlet  are  in                                                               
trouble.    He  said  that   Mr.  Huber  realizes  there  are  no                                                               
hydroelectric dam  problems, no  stream pollution, and  no "Judge                                                               
Boldt decisions."  Furthermore, Mr.  Huber doesn't want the Kenai                                                               
River to end  up like the Columbia  River.  He said  he would bet                                                               
that if something is not done  now, the king salmon fisheries and                                                               
sport fishing in the Kenai River  will be over.  He recalled that                                                               
in 1951, commercial fishermen took  158,000 kings and the fishery                                                               
was only opened  for five and a  half days a week.   Mr. McDowell                                                               
said 20  years later that same  fishery was down to  10,000.  Mr.                                                               
McDowell mentioned that Mr. Huber has  a copy of the records from                                                               
1893 to 2001 that he'd prepared years ago.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2265                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  KNOWLES  informed the  committee  that  he serves  on  the                                                               
Matanuska Valley  [Fish and  Game] Advisory  Committee.   He said                                                               
the  committee had  voted  earlier  in the  year  to support  Mr.                                                               
Huber's appointment  to the  BOF, which  was maintained  during a                                                               
more recent  poll of the  members.   He noted that  the committee                                                               
has worked  with Mr.  Huber on numerous  occasions.   Mr. Knowles                                                               
stated that the runs  in his area have been in  trouble for 10 to                                                               
15  years, and  in  working with  Mr. Huber,  he  has helped  the                                                               
committee overcome  some of  the problems;  he has  helped create                                                               
new plans  that are getting  the fish back  into the Valley.   He                                                               
said he  has personally known  Mr. Huber  for 10 years  and knows                                                               
him to  be an honorable person.   Mr. Knowles said  he feels like                                                               
Mr. Huber is getting pot shots  that he doesn't deserve, and that                                                               
he knows Mr. Huber will do the right  thing on the BOF.  He urged                                                               
members to  approve Mr.  Huber's appointment  to the  BOF because                                                               
Mr. Huber's  knowledge will keep  Alaska from losing the  runs in                                                               
the way that Oregon and Washington did.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2336                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DON  JOHNSON  announced support,  in  general,  of all  confident                                                               
common-user representatives  to the  BOF.   However, he  said, he                                                               
does oppose  some of Mr.  Huber's management ideas for  the Kenai                                                               
River.   He suggested  that sometimes Mr.  Huber is  difficult to                                                               
approach with  opposing ideas.   Mr. Johnson remarked,  "The hook                                                               
and release mentality  may sound like an effective  way to manage                                                               
fisheries,  but   carried  out   to  it's  basic,   ultimate  ...                                                               
destination,  you end  up  basically taking  fish  away from  ...                                                               
fishermen ...."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON,  noting that  he is a  20-year sport  fishing guide,                                                               
remarked, "I actually  could stand to make a lot  of money off of                                                               
turning  everything  into  hook  and release,  but  I  can't  see                                                               
actually sacrificing  that catch and release  mentality to people                                                               
putting something on the dinner  table."  Mr. Johnson stated that                                                               
although  he was  in  support  of Mr.  Nelson's  and Mr.  Huber's                                                               
appointment to  the BOF, he  disagreed with  them on quite  a few                                                               
things.   However,  he said,  he can't  disagree with  any common                                                               
user's  being  appointed to  the  board,  since  it has  been  so                                                               
lopsided  from   the  other  side   -  from  the   limited  entry                                                               
perspective - for so many years.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2436                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CARL ROSIER,  President, Alaska Outdoor Council  (AOC), testified                                                               
that  AOC strongly  urges the  confirmation of  Mr. Huber  to the                                                               
BOF.   He said he's  had the pleasure  of working with  Mr. Huber                                                               
for a number of years through the AOC.  Mr. Rosier remarked:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     He's been  characterized as a  real leader  here today,                                                                    
     I'd like to say I  agree with that description as well;                                                                    
     I also  agree with  the fact  that ...  he said  I'm no                                                                    
     angel,  and  I  would  certainly  vote  for  that,  but                                                                    
     nevertheless, anytime that you're  in a leadership role                                                                    
     ... there's going to be some pot shots at you.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Especially,  if  you've  been  effective  in  terms  of                                                                    
     getting  your  views  across   and  getting  it  worked                                                                    
     through  the  system, and  Brett  has  been very,  very                                                                    
     successful in terms of working  with the board on this.                                                                    
     He's made  it a  point to ...  learn the  board process                                                                    
     and he brings a great  deal of knowledge and capability                                                                    
     to that  board process.   He'd be  a good  board member                                                                    
     for the entire  state, and I think  that's exactly what                                                                    
     the board of fish needs.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2528                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  BEDFORD,  Executive  Director,  Southeast  Alaska  Seiners                                                               
Association (SASA), began  by noting that he is  also licensed to                                                               
practice  law  in  Alaska.    Mr. Bedford  said  he's  known  Mr.                                                               
Merrigan for  about 25 years  and had  met him fighting  a forest                                                               
fire outside  Kake.   He stated  that both  he and  SASA strongly                                                               
recommend Mr. Merrigan's confirmation.   Mr. Bedford talked about                                                               
his expectations  of Mr.  Merrigan as  a BOF  member and  said he                                                               
would expect  to see  Mr. Merrigan work  to protect  the resource                                                               
and foster  effective fisheries.   He also noted  his expectation                                                               
that  Mr. Merrigan  would put  in the  hard work  necessary as  a                                                               
member of  the BOF.   Mr. Bedford  recalled Mr.  Merrigan digging                                                               
through  "absolutely remarkable"  reams of  technical information                                                               
and staff  analysis, when working  on the Pacific  Salmon Treaty,                                                               
in order  to deal  with complex  international negotiations  on a                                                               
coast wide chinook  resource, and he was  remarkably effective in                                                               
doing that, he said.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEDFORD related his belief  that Mr. Merrigan will take those                                                               
kinds  of talents  to the  BOF,  and also  in his  deliberations,                                                               
"shine a  bright light" on all  of the issues that  come in front                                                               
of the  board.   He said  another expectation  would be  that Mr.                                                               
Merrigan use his incisive intellect and  keen mind to try to work                                                               
towards  reasonable   solutions  to   problems  that   the  board                                                               
confronts.    Furthermore, he  expected  Mr.  Merrigan will  work                                                               
toward  reasonable  solutions  to  the problems  that  the  board                                                               
confronts, and that  he will make decisions that  are good public                                                               
policy for the  people of this state, and for  the resources upon                                                               
which the  people depend.   He said during Mr.  Merrigan's tenure                                                               
on  the  board   if  confirmed,  he  doesn't  expect   to  see  a                                                               
representative for commercial fishermen,  but instead, he expects                                                               
to see someone  who is knowledgeable of  the commercial fisheries                                                               
and  who will  bring  that  kind of  knowledge  into the  board's                                                               
deliberation  to  help enlighten  them  and  bring them  to  good                                                               
decisions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2645                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL  SULLIVAN,  United  Cook Inlet  Drift  Association  (UCIDA),                                                               
encouraged the confirmation  of Mr. Merrigan and  Mr. Nelson, but                                                               
requested  that the  committee deny  such  consideration for  Mr.                                                               
Huber.   Mr.  Sullivan noted  that  he attended  a salmon  summit                                                               
forum held in  Kodiak a few weeks ago.   During that meeting U.S.                                                               
Senator  Stevens and  Alaska Senator  Allen Austerman  challenged                                                               
the industry  to come  together to  think creatively  to [address                                                               
fisheries  issues].   "These two  visionaries, as  well as  other                                                               
state leaders offered government as  the entity to facilitate the                                                               
evolution of this whole industry," he highlighted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SULLIVAN related:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     With careful consideration of  the challenges put forth                                                                    
     at this event, as  well as our organizations discussion                                                                    
     of it's  past experience  with Mr.  Huber, we  find him                                                                    
     lacking the leadership maturity  necessary to foster or                                                                    
     to  contribute to  a salmon  industry of  tomorrow that                                                                    
     would compliment the industry  which endowed this state                                                                    
     for  such a  length span  of  our history.   Mr.  Huber                                                                    
     aggressively pursues  catch-and-release play  with your                                                                    
     food fisheries that afford  scant opportunity for other                                                                    
     resource  users.    Mr. Huber  has  chosen  to  promote                                                                    
     arguments   and   regulations   that   compromise   ...                                                                    
     emergency order  authority given  to the  department of                                                                    
     fish  and game  by the  legislature to  such an  extent                                                                    
     that  managers  trained  in   biology  and  steeped  in                                                                    
     experience claim their  mandate's unattainable.  Salmon                                                                    
     runs are  fluid and dynamic and  demand the flexibility                                                                    
     of in-season  emergency order  authority by  their very                                                                    
     nature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Mr.  Huber advocates  escapement  goals  of ...  salmon                                                                    
     that beget fry of a  size that incur mortality rates at                                                                    
     up  to 95  percent.   Mr.  Huber personally  complained                                                                    
     about  the  venue  for  the   fish  and  game  advisory                                                                    
     committee  meetings in  his area.   With  the venue  of                                                                    
     alternating  meetings changed  to accommodate  him, Mr.                                                                    
     Huber has  attended not 1 of  approximately 12 meetings                                                                    
     held in over a six-month period.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     When queried  by a Kenai  Peninsula reporter  about the                                                                    
     Kenai-Soldotna  advisory committee's  rejection of  his                                                                    
     nomination Mr.  Huber expressed a veiled  surprise that                                                                    
     the advisory  committee met  to discuss  his nomination                                                                    
     ....      This   sort    of   unwillingness   to   take                                                                    
     responsibility  for  ones  own  actions,  we  feel,  is                                                                    
     consistent  with   Mr.  Huber's  style  and   level  of                                                                    
     leadership  maturity that  is  all too  evident in  his                                                                    
     present interactions  with the  board of  fisheries and                                                                    
     would  ultimately  serve  to   impede  rather  than  to                                                                    
     facilitate  the  evolution  this  great  state  is  now                                                                    
     encouraging  the salmon  industry to  embrace.   Please                                                                    
     afford  us leaders  that will  assist our  industry and                                                                    
     its difficult task of adapting  to changes already well                                                                    
     underway.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2855                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LES PALMER announced that he  doesn't believe Mr. Huber should be                                                               
on the  BOF either, mainly  because of his obvious  attraction to                                                               
politics.  He  informed the committee that Mr. Huber  has run for                                                               
the  state  House, worked  on  election  campaigns, worked  as  a                                                               
legislative aide,  has close ties  to Juneau, and has  friends in                                                               
the  legislature.    Furthermore,  Mr.  Huber  is  the  executive                                                               
director  of  KRSA,  one of  the  politically  influential  sport                                                               
fishing organizations  in the world.   Mr. Palmer  predicted that                                                               
as a BOF  member, Mr. Huber is certain to  remain more interested                                                               
in politics than  biology.  "We can't risk  Alaska's fisheries in                                                               
the  political   arena.    Please   vote  no  on   Brett  Huber's                                                               
confirmation to the board," he said.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2893                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DALE  BONDURANT  informed  the committee  that  he  supports  Mr.                                                               
Huber's appointment to the BOF.   Mr. Bondurant noted his respect                                                               
for  Mr.  Huber and  KRSA's  efforts  to habitat  protection  and                                                               
reclamation along  the Kenai River.   Mr. Huber is well  aware of                                                               
the fishing  issues in the entire  Cook Inlet area and  is a very                                                               
capable communicator  with a well-rounded  background in  the way                                                               
that the administration's and legislature's  processes work.  Mr.                                                               
Bondurant   characterized   Mr.   Huber   as   a   well-organized                                                               
representative  of  the  common  personal users  at  the  BOF  in                                                               
Anchorage -  the first  hearing at  which the  common user  had a                                                               
presentation equal  to past "monopoly  control by  the commercial                                                               
fish  interest in  Cook Inlet."    Mr. Bondurant  noted that  the                                                               
credibility  of the  Kenai  Peninsula  [F&G] Advisory  committees                                                               
have been questioned by past board  of fisheries, which is one of                                                               
the reasons many folks don't attend their meetings.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2959                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DON McKAY  informed the committee  that he doesn't make  a living                                                               
on  the  river, isn't  a  guide,  and  isn't in  the  hospitality                                                               
business.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-42, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2970                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. McKAY  continued by announcing  his enthusiastic  support for                                                               
the confirmation of Mr. Huber to  the BOF.  He emphasized that if                                                               
the BOF  is to best  serve the  interests of all  Alaskans, there                                                               
should  be  balance with  adequate  representation  of the  sport                                                               
fishing  community.    Mr.  Huber has  demonstrated  that  he  is                                                               
balanced,  fair in  demeanor, and  has  a vast  knowledge of  the                                                               
resource.   Most  importantly,  if there's  any  question of  the                                                               
viability of a given run, Mr. Huber would put the fish first.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1950                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TERRY SAPPAH, a lifelong Alaskan,  informed the committee that he                                                               
is a  fishing guide on  the Kenai Peninsula  and he owns  a small                                                               
fish camp business in Sterling.   He said he supports Mr. Huber's                                                               
nomination because he  will do a great job and  puts the resource                                                               
first.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2887                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BUD HARRIS  noted that he has  attended the BOF meetings  for the                                                               
last 20  years and in  the last 12  years it has  really changed.                                                               
He  reminded the  committee  of the  fish  initiative, which  was                                                               
voted  down by  the voter's  in the  state.   However, the  [fish                                                               
initiative] group  found a way to  put one of its  members on the                                                               
BOF and "we  just got done with  six years of him,  and now we're                                                               
going to get  a disciple of his  on the board of  fish," he said.                                                               
As a  commercial fisherman  in the upper  Cook Inlet,  Mr. Harris                                                               
has a  major problem  with another person  from Cook  Inlet being                                                               
put on the BOF, let alone,  a highly active sports advocate.  Mr.                                                               
Harris said  he has a lot  of respect for Mr.  Huber and believes                                                               
he  would do  a  really good  job  on one  of  the other  boards.                                                               
However, he asked the committee not to put Mr. Huber on the BOF.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2818                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PAUL  SEATON  suggested that  Mr.  Huber's  nomination creates  a                                                               
concentration  of  expertise  on  the BOF  because  both  he  and                                                               
Chairman  Dersham represent  Cook Inlet  salmon sport  fisheries.                                                               
He urged the  committee to reject Mr.  Huber's nomination because                                                               
Mr.  Huber's  nomination  does  not  maintain  the  adversity  of                                                               
experience  that  is a  requirement  for  the  BOF.   Mr.  Seaton                                                               
mentioned his  experience working  with the  BOF over  the years,                                                               
including work  on a  Cook Inlet salmon  allocation plan,  on the                                                               
Alaska state  water Pacific cod  fisheries, and most  recently on                                                               
an  attempt  to  develop  a Cook  Inlet  directed  dogfish  shark                                                               
fishery.  He said  he thought it is vital that  a board member be                                                               
willing to work  beyond single-issue focus and  he suggested that                                                               
Mr. Huber will further pulverize  the board between users groups.                                                               
Mr. Seaton urged  the committee to reject  Mr. Huber's nomination                                                               
in order to  maintain the healthy diversity that  is necessary to                                                               
represent all of the geographical areas of the state.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2756                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JERRY  McCUNE, United  Fishermen  of Alaska  (UFA), voiced  UFA's                                                               
support for the names of Mr.  Merrigan and Mr. Nelson to the BOF,                                                               
and suggested they'd be really good statewide candidates.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2728                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PAUL  SHADURA, Kenai  Peninsula  Fishermen's Association  (KPFA),                                                               
related KPFA's commitment to the  legislative review process that                                                               
allows it to  inform and educate legislators  of the complexities                                                               
on the  BOF appointments.   Mr. Shadura  said, "We would  like to                                                               
start a  discussion with  a realistic  approach to  assessing the                                                               
current direction to  the Board of Fisheries."  He  turned to the                                                               
last  ten years  of fisheries  returns  to the  Cook Inlet  area,                                                               
where the Kenai River and  the Kasilof River are approximately 12                                                               
miles apart.   The rivers  have similar glacier-fed  lake systems                                                               
that are  supportive of  immature sockeye  salmon.   In reviewing                                                               
the systems  and one sees  the production of the  Kenai declining                                                               
at an  alarming rate while  it's smaller sister, the  Kasilof, is                                                               
showing  a strong,  sustained return.   The  Kasilof system  is a                                                               
spawning  limited  and rearing  limited  regime  while the  Kenai                                                               
watershed  is  spawning rich  and  has  rearing limitations  much                                                               
higher than the Kasilof.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHADURA  offered one  explanation in  which the  fish leaving                                                               
the systems  are traveling  to different areas  in the  ocean and                                                               
thus  are being  affected  by different  factors.   Although  the                                                               
North Pacific  and Gulf  of Alaska are  large by  any definition,                                                               
the  fluctuations  in salmonids  populations  due  to weather  or                                                               
current patterns affect the individual  species as a whole rather                                                               
than part  of the whole.   There is also a  regional perspective.                                                               
He explained  that the entry  pattern of the typical  Kasilof red                                                               
salmon is early  in the summer and the late  run of Kenai sockeye                                                               
is later.   However, there was  a definite mixing of  stocks that                                                               
happened  in the  middle of  July, which  is the  primary fishing                                                               
season for salmon  for all primary users.   Mr. Shadura mentioned                                                               
that the other  main factor determining future  returns of salmon                                                               
is  the   management  of  returns  for   spawning  and  allocated                                                               
decisions by the BOF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHADURA  pointed out that  the Alaska Department of  Fish and                                                               
Game has  a very knowledgeable staff  that administers regulatory                                                               
changes  in policies  that the  board directs  the department  to                                                               
initiate.  In  years past, the expertise of area  managers was of                                                               
great importance  to the board;  unfortunately, this  respect has                                                               
not  been afforded  to  local  managers who  have  been, in  some                                                               
instances,   denied  from   entering  into   any  decision-making                                                               
discussions of  several current regulatory  cycled meetings.   In                                                               
order to determine  what is creating these changes  one must look                                                               
at  the  attitudes  and  agendas   of  this  strong  arm  of  the                                                               
legislature for the answers.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHADURA turned  to the BOF as a corporate  board and inquired                                                               
as to  the economic,  social, and  productivity factors  that one                                                               
would  assess.   Mr. Shadura  said this  board has  taken a  very                                                               
shallow view for  the future of Alaskan salmon  fisheries and its                                                               
development.  "Our  state's fisheries are in a  mess," he stated.                                                               
The  emphasis and  direction of  the  current board  has been  to                                                               
micromanage  the Cook  Inlet area  fisheries.   He  noted that  a                                                               
current member on this board  commented in February that it would                                                               
be his final Cook Inlet meeting  because he joined the board with                                                               
the purpose  of reallocating the  fisheries in Cook Inlet  and he                                                               
felt that  had not  been accomplished.   Mr. Shadura  then turned                                                               
attention  to  [AS] 16.05.221  and  urged  the committee  not  to                                                               
support  Mr. Huber's  nomination to  the BOF.   "We'd  ... prefer                                                               
that  a  new  board  be  appointed that  will  view  the  state's                                                               
resources with a statewide vision;  a board that is knowledgeable                                                               
about the fisheries around the state," he said.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHADURA said:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     A board  that cares for  all of its people,  Native and                                                                    
     non-Native;  that  will  protect   the  rights  of  the                                                                    
     residents and  respect the (indisc.) that  our pioneers                                                                    
     have   sacrificed;  that   can   understand  the   word                                                                    
     commitment; that  are selfless in their  views; that do                                                                    
     not wish to manipulate  the system or intimidate others                                                                    
     into  submission; that  does  not  have a  preconceived                                                                    
     agenda that  benefits one group  over another;  a board                                                                    
     member who  respects the professional expertise  of our                                                                    
     ADF&G staff  and willingly enjoins them  with decisions                                                                    
    on   regulatory   and   policy   issues;   that   truly                                                                     
      understands the term sustained yield and biological                                                                       
     management.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     This  board  must have  new  blood  that signifies  the                                                                    
     vision of an Alaskan sunrise;  not the darkness and not                                                                    
     the  controversy  and  divisiveness that  this  current                                                                    
     board has shown us.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2441                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROLAND MAW informed  the committee that he has been  a blue water                                                               
charter out  of Seward, but  is currently a  commercial fisherman                                                               
for  salmon and  halibut  in the  upper Cook  Inlet.   He  stated                                                               
support for Mr. Nelson's and  Mr. Merrigan's confirmations to the                                                               
BOF.  However, Mr. Maw noted  his grave concerns about Mr. Huber,                                                               
whose nomination  he cannot support.   He turned to the  issue of                                                               
emergency-order authority and said one  of the geniuses of Alaska                                                               
salmon management is in-season  abundance-based management.  Such                                                               
management  hires  biologists  that  can  be  trusted  and  given                                                               
emergency order  authority to manage our  fishery resources using                                                               
their best biology and judgment.   On several occasions, he said,                                                               
Mr. Huber has  given public testimony to the  BOF suggesting that                                                               
local   biologists   should   have   restricted   emergency-order                                                               
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MAW   pointed  out  that   past  legislators   directly  and                                                               
specifically gave  emergency order authority to  the commissioner                                                               
and  his local  biological staff  in order  to conduct  in-season                                                               
abundance-based management.   However, he  said, Mr. Huber  is in                                                               
opposition  to the  statutory direction  of the  legislature, and                                                               
therefore he  should not be  confirmed.  Furthermore,  he offered                                                               
that  Mr. Huber  has consistently  advocated escapement  policies                                                               
that have  resulted in smaller  smolts with very  poor freshwater                                                               
and  ocean survival  rates.   These  high  escapement goals  have                                                               
resulted in small returns of  adult salmon to Southcentral Alaska                                                               
and especially to the Kenai [Peninsula].                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAW  said there  is the  loss of  an economic  opportunity of                                                               
about $12-$22 million dollars annually.   The aforementioned loss                                                               
has  resulted  in  lost  harvest   and  economic  activity  worth                                                               
hundreds of  millions of dollars  over the last few  years, which                                                               
he partially attributed to Mr.  Huber's view and public testimony                                                               
on salmon management.  For  biological and economic policies, Mr.                                                               
Maw said  he believes Mr.  Huber is an unacceptable  candidate to                                                               
the BOF.  The legislative-sponsored  salmon task force, the eight                                                               
regional fishery areas, and the  BOF all need individuals who are                                                               
multi-dimensional and  have mediation and  problem-solving skills                                                               
and  abilities,  he specified.    Mr.  Huber  is  a part  of  the                                                               
problem, not  a part of the  solution, which is evidenced  by the                                                               
public outcry  and heightened level  of conflict  concerning this                                                               
candidate.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  recalled Mr. Maw's testimony  that Mr. Huber                                                               
provided adverse  testimony to the BOF.   He asked Mr.  Maw if he                                                               
thought it  was Mr.  Huber's fault  or the  BOF's fault  that the                                                               
aforementioned [biological and economic issues] occurred.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2281                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAW  opined that  the testimony  was given  and that  the BOF                                                               
chose to follow it.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE asked if the BOF's actions were the cause.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAW replied yes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  interpreted Mr. Maw's testimony  to indicate                                                               
that Mr. Huber's testimony was the cause.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAW agreed that [Mr. Huber] certainly entered that debate.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2243                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RUBEN HANKE voiced  strong support for Mr. Huber  and related his                                                               
belief that Mr. Huber is an honest  man.  He said he has seen Mr.                                                               
Huber involved  in the BOF  process for  about 10 years  and that                                                               
Mr.  Huber  is very  active  and  understands  the process.    He                                                               
suggested that Mr. Huber is very  well versed in fisheries in the                                                               
state and thus would make an excellent board member.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2186                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RONDI McCLURE  noted that she has  been a resident of  Alaska for                                                               
16 years,  has lived  on the  Kenai Peninsula  for 10  years, and                                                               
makes her  living as a  fishing guide.   She said she  has worked                                                               
with Mr. Huber on several  volunteer activities and is in support                                                               
of his nomination to the BOF.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2057                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  McCLURE Vice  President,  Kenai  River Professional  Guide                                                               
Association (KRPGA),  informed the committee that  KRPGA has over                                                               
200 members,  the majority of whom  strongly and enthusiastically                                                               
support  Mr. Huber's  nomination to  the BOF.   He  remarked, "We                                                               
believe  it all  just comes  back to  believe in  what you  stand                                                               
for."                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2136                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RYAN HOWLETT noted  that he is a lifelong resident  of Alaska and                                                               
is a  guide on the  Kenai River.  He  voiced his support  for Mr.                                                               
Huber.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2114                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RON RAINEY,  a sport fisherman,  mentioned that he is  an 18-year                                                               
resident of  the Kenai area.   Mr. Rainey informed  the committee                                                               
that he has been on  the Kenai River Sportfishing Association for                                                               
many years.  During the  discussion of Mr. Huber's appointment to                                                               
the BOF,  the question regarding what  Mr. Huber would do  if his                                                               
views  differed from  the KRSA.    To which  Mr. Huber  answered,                                                               
without hesitation, "I  will do what's best for the  fish and the                                                               
resource."  Therefore,  Mr. Rainey said he  strongly supports the                                                               
appointment of Mr. Huber.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2054                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  GARCIA, who  has been  in  Alaska since  1946, voiced  his                                                               
strong support of Mr. Nelson and  Mr. Merrigan to the BOF and his                                                               
strong opposition  to Mr. Huber's  appointment.  "I think  it's a                                                               
fallacy that  Mr. Huber supports  sport fish; Mr.  Huber supports                                                               
guided  sport  fish,"  he  remarked.   Mr.  Garcia  informed  the                                                               
committee that  he also  runs a  bed and  breakfast on  the Kenai                                                               
River  and  the salmon  that  run  up  and  down that  river  are                                                               
important  to his  business.    The policies  that  Mr. Huber  is                                                               
trying  to create  will finish  killing the  salmon on  the Kenai                                                               
River, he charged.  Control needs  to be returned to the ADF&G in                                                               
order to get this resource working  again.  Since the present BOF                                                               
took over  in the 1990s,  it has  nearly killed the  Kenai River.                                                               
He reiterated opposition to Mr. Huber's appointment to the BOF.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1972                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVE LOWERY  informed the committee  that he has been  a resident                                                               
of Alaska  for 27  years and  of Kenai  for 4  years; he  and his                                                               
family have used the fisheries  resource for the entire 27 years.                                                               
Mr. Lowery  noted that he  has no  business ties and  is retired.                                                               
He said  it is obvious to  him that the governor,  in his wisdom,                                                               
has recommended Mr.  Huber's appointment.  He  offered his belief                                                               
that  Mr. Huber's  extensive knowledge  in the  Alaska fisheries,                                                               
his keen  intellect and integrity,  and his tenacity  and undying                                                               
efforts would make  him a valuable asset to the  board and to the                                                               
resource.    Despite  the  negative press,  he  said,  Mr.  Huber                                                               
continues to enjoy widespread support  throughout the state.  Mr.                                                               
Lowery voiced his strong support for Mr. Huber.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1907                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BOB  MERCHANT, President,  United  Cook  Inlet Drift  Association                                                               
(UCIDA), announced that  UCIDA is opposed to  the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Huber  to the BOF, but  is in support of  the appointments of                                                               
Mr. Merrigan  and Mr. Nelson.   He  suggested that Mr.  Huber has                                                               
consistently  proven,   by  his  actions  and   statements,  that                                                               
commercial  sport   fishing  and  tourism  promotion   must  take                                                               
precedent over  and grow without  limits at the expense  of every                                                               
other  historical  use.    Such  one-dimensional  thinking  about                                                               
resource uses displayed by Mr.  Huber comes at a particularly bad                                                               
time given  the statewide  effort to  help the  commercial salmon                                                               
industry recover  and compete with  farmed salmon.   He remarked,                                                               
"We  at UCIDA  ask  you to  think  long and  hard  about who  you                                                               
confirm to serve  on the board; it is our  contention that anyone                                                               
appointed to  the board must  take into account  the consequences                                                               
of their actions, whether those  consequences be to the resource,                                                               
it's habitat, or the toll it  may take on other residents lives."                                                               
Mr. Merchant stated that disregarding  the damage done to people,                                                               
especially residents,  should never be  justified in the  name of                                                               
economic  development.   He asked  the committee  not to  confirm                                                               
Mr. Huber.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1807                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PAT CARTER  noted that he  has been  involved in the  BOF process                                                               
for the  past 12 years  and has been a  guide on the  Kenai River                                                               
for the  past 6  years.   He said that  he is  in support  of all                                                               
three appointees  to the BOF.   Mr. Carter explained that  he has                                                               
served on the  board of directors of KRSA for  the past 11 years,                                                               
and  is  currently  serving  as   co-chair  of  KRSA's  Fisheries                                                               
Committee.    He  explained that  the  fisheries  committee  very                                                               
actively interacts with a number  of agencies, including the BOF,                                                               
regarding  fisheries  research  and  management  practices.    He                                                               
echoed earlier  testimony that serving  on the BOF is  a tireless                                                               
and thankless job.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARTER  characterized fisheries  management as more  art than                                                               
science  because often  the scientific  information available  is                                                               
less than exact.  Furthermore,  the board is often scrutinized by                                                               
individuals  who  neither attend  the  board  meetings nor  fully                                                               
comprehend  the reasoning  for  the  proposed regulatory  change.                                                               
Therefore,  consternation  is  created  with  some  of  the  user                                                               
groups.   A lot of  people believe the conservation  of fisheries                                                               
is  a good  idea until  it  impacts them,  he remarked.   Such  a                                                               
mentality  has destroyed  many a  fishery  throughout the  world.                                                               
Mr. Carter  related his  belief that one  must look  beyond one's                                                               
own self-interests if Alaska's fisheries are to be preserved.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARTER  said that the  main quality he  looks for in  a board                                                               
member is  a willingness  to put the  protection of  the resource                                                               
ahead of  all user groups.   Mr. Huber is such  an individual and                                                               
his skills,  abilities, and  integrity speak well  for him.   Mr.                                                               
Carter  described   Mr.  Huber   as  a  bright,   objective,  and                                                               
articulate  individual who  can grasp  complex issues  with ease.                                                               
Most  importantly, Mr.  Huber is  curious.   Perhaps Mr.  Huber's                                                               
best  asset  is  that  he  is uncompromising  when  it  comes  to                                                               
protecting the  resource.  With  regard to the comments  that Mr.                                                               
Huber has made decisions and  pushed a certain agenda, Mr. Carter                                                               
clarified  that Mr.  Huber doesn't  make policy;  the KRSA  makes                                                               
policy,  and  its  board  of   directors  directs  Mr.  Huber  to                                                               
implement that policy.   For instance, the  early-run king salmon                                                               
plan was  a decision Mr.  Carter made after consulting  the board                                                               
of KRSA.  Mr. Carter concluded  by reiterating his support of all                                                               
three candidates.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1608                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GREG BRUSH  spoke in support of  the nomination for Mr.  Huber to                                                               
the BOF,  relating his belief  that Mr. Huber's knowledge  of the                                                               
process is  unquestionable.  The  debate seems to  revolve around                                                               
whether Mr. Huber can remain  objective because the perception is                                                               
that Mr. Huber has a  conflict of interest, being anti-commercial                                                               
fishing   and  anti-consumptive   use.      However,  Mr.   Huber                                                               
consistently puts the  fish first, which should be  the intent of                                                               
every BOF member.   Thus far, Mr. Brush has  heard testimony that                                                               
people either  support or  oppose Mr. Huber  because he  has hurt                                                               
one particular  industry or  user group.   There has  been little                                                               
testimony about  the fish,  which Mr. Brush  said seems  wrong to                                                               
him.  With  regard to the question of Mr.  Huber's arrogance, Mr.                                                               
Brush said  Mr. Huber  can be  as arrogant  as he  wants provided                                                               
that  he keeps  an open  mind, listens  well, considers  the data                                                               
provided, and does what's in the  best interest of the fish.  Mr.                                                               
Brush stated that  he fully believes Mr. Huber is  capable of the                                                               
aforementioned, which  is why Mr.  Brush supports  and encourages                                                               
Mr. Huber's confirmation to the BOF.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1513                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MURRAY FENTON also spoke in  support of Mr. Huber's nomination to                                                               
the BOF.   He related  his belief  that Mr. Huber  will represent                                                               
all  user groups  fairly.    Although Mr.  Huber  is a  confident                                                               
individual, he  isn't arrogant.   He  characterized Mr.  Huber as                                                               
conservation- and habitat-minded.   It seems to  bother some that                                                               
Mr. Huber wants some fish to get into the fresh water to spawn.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1429                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
STEVE TVENSTRUP noted  that he agrees with all  of the opposition                                                               
to Mr. Huber.   He expressed concern that  [with the confirmation                                                               
of Mr. Huber]  the Cook Inlet area would have  a political person                                                               
on the  BOF.  Mr.  Tvenstrup informed  the committee that  he has                                                               
attended the BOF for 20 years; in  the last 12 years, he said, he                                                               
has  seen the  downfall of  the commercial  fisheries.   He noted                                                               
that he  owns land on the  Kenai River and has  watched his banks                                                               
wash away  due to boat  wakes.   Mr. Tvenstrup mentioned  that he                                                               
has been  at odds  with Mr.  Huber before,  most recently  at the                                                               
last meeting  during which it  was decided that  the trophy-sized                                                               
rainbow trout in  the middle section of the  Kenai River couldn't                                                               
be kept  because they need  to be  protected.  However,  when the                                                               
king salmon fisheries needed to  be protected, it wasn't done, in                                                               
his opinion.   With  regard to the  confirmation of  Mr. Merrigan                                                               
and Mr. Nelson,  Mr. Tvenstrup related his belief  that those two                                                               
should be confirmed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1260                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DREW  SPARLIN  informed  the  committee  that  he  is  a  36-year                                                               
resident  of   the  Kenai  Peninsula  who   has  participated  in                                                               
commercial fishing  for halibut, herring,  and salmon.   Over the                                                               
years, Mr.  Sparlin has  served on  various boards,  task forces,                                                               
and  fishing  organizations and  has  attended  nearly every  BOF                                                               
meeting concerning Cook Inlet.   Mr. Sparlin recognized the value                                                               
of remaining active, but pointed  out that while participating in                                                               
resource  discussions and  actions credibility  is of  the utmost                                                               
importance.   He acknowledged  that there  is nothing  wrong with                                                               
being an advocate of one's  position or occupation, however there                                                               
is no place  for a member of  an organization such as  the BOF to                                                               
have a  member who has  been in  open opposition to  an important                                                               
industry, such as commercial fishing, in Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPARLIN pointed  out that if the current  slate of appointees                                                               
are  confirmed, the  BOF  would contain  four  members who  would                                                               
predominantly  reside in  the Cook  Inlet drainage  and three  of                                                               
those  four  members  would be  associated  with  sport  fishing.                                                               
Therefore, the regions of Kodiak  and Prince William Sound, which                                                               
are a  huge economic value to  the state, would remain  without a                                                               
representative.   Furthermore, he  pointed out that  there hasn't                                                               
been a Cook  Inlet commercial fishermen on the BOF  for more than                                                               
20 years.   For these  reasons and others, Mr.  Sparlin announced                                                               
support of the confirmations of  Mr. Merrigan and Mr. Nelson, but                                                               
not  Mr.  Huber.    Mr.  Sparlin  recalled  Mr.  Huber's  earlier                                                               
testimony that  the Cook Inlet Aquaculture  Association initiated                                                               
[the Big  Lake Project]  and clarified that  it was  initiated by                                                               
the state.   Mr. Sparlin said, "It's time that  you people send a                                                               
message  to the  governor that  no nominees  should be  forwarded                                                               
that carry an agenda."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1082                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RAY   DeBARDELABEN  announced   his   support   of  Mr.   Huber's                                                               
appointment to the  BOF.  He noted that he  has fished in Alaskan                                                               
waters  for over  16  years  and has  been  involved  in the  BOF                                                               
process for  over five years.   The BOF  members need to  keep in                                                               
mind  all of  the user  groups and,  most importantly,  the fish.                                                               
Mr.  DeBardelaben characterized  Mr. Huber's  appointment to  the                                                               
BOF as a crucial part of salmon fishing in Alaska.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1007                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL SUTTON noted that she  is a commercial fisherman from Cook                                                               
Inlet.   After  listening to  the testimony  of Mr.  Merrigan and                                                               
Nelson, she  said she supported  their confirmation.   Ms. Sutton                                                               
said  that she  couldn't speak  to the  nomination of  Mr. Huber,                                                               
however,   because  she   has  no   knowledge  of   him  or   the                                                               
circumstances  that  have been  alluded  to  today.   Ms.  Sutton                                                               
emphasized   the  importance   of   the   board,  which   creates                                                               
regulations for a multi-billion dollar  industry.  She noted that                                                               
she  has often  said it  matters little  to her  who sits  on the                                                               
board so  long as  those individuals  receive and  assimilate the                                                               
information from  ADF&G, and ultimately  make decisions  that are                                                               
beneficial to all users in the state.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SCALZI, upon  determining that  no one  else wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0521                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MASEK moved that the  House Resources Standing Committee                                                               
forward the names  of Mr. Huber, Mr. Merrigan, and  Mr. Nelson to                                                               
the full body  for consideration.  There being  no objection, the                                                               
confirmations were advanced.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  moved that the House  Special Committee on                                                               
Fisheries forward the  names of Mr. Huber, Mr.  Merrigan, and Mr.                                                               
Nelson  to the  full  body  for consideration.    There being  no                                                               
objection, the confirmations were advanced.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business, the joint meeting between the                                                                  
House Resources Standing Committee and the House Special                                                                        
Committee on Fisheries was adjourned at an unspecified time.                                                                    

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